To be honest I haven't played with 4 eyes in quite some time but I think I'm going to give it another try and up the count. There's been a few hands where I've thought "wow, if I had an eye here this hand would be so good". Of course, the drawback is another dead topdeck after the first but I think it might be worth it in any case. The games I win are the games I'm very explosive for the most part, though it can play the mid-game ok the late game gets much tougher against grindy decks like Miracles, Lands and Shardless.Originally Posted by Noloam_
Which brings me to my next question, how are people still finding Jitte? It feels really slow to me and drawing 2 of them feels awful :( In some matchups (Infect, DnT, Elves) it's flat out dominant but I'm really considering dropping down to a single copy, as it feels like I board it out fairly often.
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Noloam said, "i lost an unloseable game against miracles, where i accidentally tapped my tomb for lethal.."
I played, as I wrote, with 12 (4 Tundra, 4 Adarkar Wastes, 4 Cavern) and I found that ok. I suppose you can easily go to 13 adding 1 crossroad... replacing for example the endbringer in my list.
yes that is my point. i dont think eldrazi functions great without eyes. you can sometimes have artifacts that you cant cast with eye. but i run 2 urborgs for that.
i also had my thoughts about jitte. but i guess you really need it against other aggro decks. i also like it against UR and burn.
I need to find a version I am happy with. Lately I have been testing with Displacer in the main, Worldbreaker in the side. Split 2 contortion 2 wail main, 2 wail side. VS infect I like my match a lot more. I haven't had the issues some players are having VS delver variants. Maybe I am lucky? I was trying a build that was a little more land heavy and ran 1 Newlamog, it was great to tutor up vs the grindier matches but overall slow in general.
Our local meta is pretty "inbred" as some people call it. We have a few people who rotate normal decks then there are people like myself and a few friends who will sleeve up tin fins, worldgorger combo, grixis painter, mono red welder, the cure, tezz, and some other odd ball decks.
Personally I need to test more, I feel like I am not piloting the deck correctly. Is colorless the way to go? White? It seems most lists are the same 50 cards with 10 flex slots.
Played with the white version at my LGS FNM last night.
Went 2-2, losses to Reanimator and Storm... more like losses to not getting good cards in my openers. Had to mull to 5 three times between both match-ups. There was a game that I had 4 Eldrazi Displacers on the field vs Reanimator, but he hardcasted a Grave Titan. I didn't have enough mana to keep on flicking tokens due to mana screw. I lost shortly after.
Someone playing the colorless version went 4-0
Latest league results: 3-2 (played terrible in this one and totally deserved those losses)
And 4-1, which was basically a nightmare gauntlet:
R1: Black Staxx 1-2 (G3, he had a T3 Leyline Helmet kill despite me having a T1 Thorn while wastelanding me).
R2: Pyromancer Grixis Control 2-1 (the amount of Pyromancer tokens he shat out in G1 was unholy. It was noteworthy that double Thorn G3 completely wrecked him.)
R3: Lands 2-1 (G1 he wasteland locked me quickly, G2 & G3 he I overrun him while he does nothing meaningful. Lucky, I guess)
R4: Shardless BUG 2-1 (the good ol' overrun with All is Dust back-up.)
R5: Mono W D&T (G1 I had tripple Endless One with Eye on T1, he could never race that.)
On a slightly different note:
Legacy Challenge time! - only 54 players this time.
5-1 total - Top 8 inbound
R1: 12-Post 2-0 (G1 TKS + one Displacer activation take his GSZ & Titan, while his Ugin is a glorified double Bolt machine before he dies. G2 he gets a slow start and he scoops after I play TKS with double Mimic on the field)
R2: Grixis Delver 2-0 (looks like the overrun plan actually works)
R3: Sneak & Show 2-1 (G1 I didn't know what he was on, so I get rekt by Sneak Attack Emrakul. G2 I take his Emrakul with TKS and counter his S&T with Wail. G3 he Shows in Griselbrand, I put in Displacer. I don't have white mana, but tripple Temple, so he never stood a chance to attack with anything.)
R4: Esper Stoneblade 1-2 (G1 I got wrecked by T3 TNN into T5 Batterskull. I could have won G3 easily if I had drawn a single Cavern of Souls, but since it ALL my Caverns were in the bottom 15 of my deck, he kept countering all my threats. Fuck you, MODO shuffler.)
R5: Burn 2-1 (really close games, with Chalice @1 doing the main work)
R6: BUG Delver 2-0 (yes, the overrun plan is the to-go strategy agaisnt Delver, as it seems)
I'll keep this post updated with my matches, similiar to last time.
Last edited by Barook; 05-14-2016 at 06:37 PM.
wut? keeping in thorns after boarding? i dont have room for that. i board out my 2 thorns for 2 needles on their wastelands.
I run Thorns in the board, not MD. I actually brought them in after getting the suggestion from my playtesting partner. Note that I'm on the GW build.
i know you play the GW. but still, it doesnt seem that great (no offense). you slow them down 1 turn. After that, they play around it
i went 4-1 today :(. lost to another eldrazi dude who had it all. i had to mull and kept 3 one colorless mana lands.
won 2 times from dredge. one of them was manaless. mulling to leyline of the void FTW 2 times XD
Top8'd a GP Trial for Prague today (18 players)
Colorless build
25 lands
4 Caverns
4 Tombs
3 Cities
3 Wasteland
2 Mishra's Factory
4 Temples
3 Eye of Ugin
2 Urborg
21 creatures
4 Mimics
2 Reshapers
4 TKS
4 Smashers
4 Endless Ones
1 Endbringer
2 Simian Spirit Guide
9 artifacts
4 chalices
3 thorns
2 Jitte
5 instants
3 Warping Wail
2 Dismember
Sideboard
4 Leyline of the void
2 Dragon's claw (while listing the deck I scouted 3 burn decks in the room)
1 Zuran Orb (see above
1 Dismember
1 Warping Wail
2 Null Rod
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Revoker
Match 1 - burn
I win easily the first one, nothwithstanding a price of progress that halves my life total - TKS takes care of second price and chalice for 1 takes care of the rest.
I side out endbringer and dismembers for zuran orb and dragon claws. I stall the match with chalice for 1 and 2...he stalls it even more with ensaring bridge...i cry inside thinking about my endbringer in the side..but chalice covers my ass...so i stall even more the match with chalice for 6! but i lose to double rift bolt...game three is super fast...i side in ratchet bomb and endbringer in case he finds bridge again...but mimics + double smasher are too much for him to handle.
Match 2 - reanimator
I know what I play against and I am happy for my leylines in side..
First game I keep a super greedy hand on the play...eye of ugyn and triple endless one...i play them attack for 6 and play mimic I draw turn 2...he entombs his elesh norn...and prays for a second land...draws gitaxian probe...but still no land...total game lasted approx 4 minutes...I am glad I kept that hand
Second game i start with leyline and tomb into chalice...he dazes it...and never find 3 land for S&T
Match 3 - Deathblade
My only loss of the swiss...Liliana plus lingering soul to block my monsters is very bad...both games i never manage to get rid of a turn 3 liliana...
Match 4 - Death and Taxes
I remember only G3 where I resolve a chalice for 1, double mimic turn 2 and win by wailing his mistic and attacking for 15 with smasher and mimics
Match 5 - ID with burn
Quarterfinals - I got paired with the Deathblade guy again...half of the top8 is already having byes and plays only for the money prize...I obviously got paired with the only guy that has no byes...and he crushes me again with Liliana and 3 lingering souls + flashback (i had jitte to take care of some tokens...but he finds white mana for vindicate)
GPT won by 4c delver piloted by a platinum pro vs death and taxes
2 eldrazi in the room both in top8
Last night I went 3-1 on a legacy FNM - losing only to lands
This is my second tournament and both times the deck brought me to prizes - I like it even if I really dislike 3x city of traitors - forcing me to awful decisions...
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Did 5-1 in the Swiss, which is a guaranteed Top 8 slot.
JordanTheJew, the previous March champion, takes the #1 spot with 6-0, assuming he's still playing Dredge.
The hope to defend my title is still there.
Edit: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand dead. Was paired with Maverickand got facerolled by double KotR G1 and tripple KotR G2. Oh well, still finished in the money.
Went 5-0 at the local GPT with Barook's GW-build (Dropped before the T8 though as I won't be making the trip). Beat 2x ANT, DnT, Elves and Miracles. All praise to Barook!
I've been impressed by your recent scores on MTGGoldfish with the build, but I'm just not sold on the 4 Eye's. Could you explain why you believe Eye is essential as a 4 of and not 3? Also, I've been debating between the Colorless and the G/W Splash and both are a toss up. Why Colorless over the splash? I've ended up coming to this conclusion, but I may be totally wrong.
Colorless: It has less ability to counter decks that seem to become an issue; however, it appears to be a lot more consistent with the lack of mana restriction. I've noticed majority of recent decks that are having successful results in both paper and MTGO are the colorless builds. The explosive starts is clearly present and easier to achieve IMO
G/W Splash: This has a lot of flexibility and power with Displacer and Worldbreaker; however, it appears that the mana can become an issue. It also appears to feel slightly slower than the Colorless build when it comes with the "explosive" starts but later game is there.
Too me you could either run one or the other, I guess just personal preference. If you like to play a tempo build then G/W is your style; however, if you look for that explosive start where you overrun your opponent before they can do much then colorless is where you want to go. Again this is what I've been observing; I could be completely off. Would love everyone's thoughts on this, because it appears that many are questioning what build they should even run at this point. So any thoughts on Why you choose your build and what it offers would be nice!
Last edited by xArabOfficerx; 05-15-2016 at 01:43 PM.
tnx. because without eye of ugin, eldrazi is just a weak sort of affinity deck. Eye gets wastelanded all day. Eye gives more blow-outs. I first thought that everybody who was playing 4 eyes, was a greedy fool.
Im testing a similair list as barook for GW. im realy not sold on having no thorns main. I played ANT for 3 years in a row and i like to punish that deck. The colorless list seems very consistent in my opinion.
i will play simian spirit guide all day over petal:
-It gives you a 2/2 dude when reshaper triggers
-you can cast it though blood moon
-It does not get taxed by thorn
-I play chalice on 0 sometimes. this will counter petal
I just edited my post above with my thoughts on each build and what I have seen, and that is exactly what I'm noticing. The colorless build has been doing a lot better as of recent because the consistency is there; however, the flexibility isn't as strong as the G/W build. I guess it comes down to what you prefer (Tempo or Explosive). Disruption is there in different forms as well. I've played both decks and still find myself indecisive on what I want to run in the long run. I like both builds for its reasons and I dislike both builds for their flaws. I'm just trying to find someone or a group of others that can somewhat persuade me to lean on build or the other.
Also, questions on your build. 3 Reshapers? does that seem right as most builds run 4. 25 lands as well? Did you find that 24 was a bit less inconsistent?
if you play 2 endbringers, you have to run more lands. im also fed up with getting wastelanded out of the game (my name is not noloam for nothing) . reshaper is most of the time a 3 mana 3/2, which is very uninpressive. it seems bad card against all non-bolt/fast aggro decks. it is just a silly card, when you are looking at a angler/goyf/batterskull etc). endbringer steals games and gives you a better match against sneaky show. it is debatable, but dont see reshapers winning me a lot of games (other then vs burn/tempo matches)
You more or less hit the nail on the head, I've been playing GW a lot and while I feel it's fantastic, I am going to go back and playtest the colorless version some more to gain better experience. My observations are similar to yours, however, I rarely have problems with the mana in order to cast Displacer or World Breaker. I do however find it much less explosive that the colorless builds, for all the reasons you mentioned. SSG is far and away better than lotus petal but in the GW build, you don't have that luxury. I still like Factories over Wastelands though, regardless of the build.
Which one is "better" I believe is about playstyle, as you said. Both are very viable and can put up good results. I've had some success with the GW version in paperback (5-1 and 3-1 in my last 2 tournaments) but now I'll be playtesting the 4 eye/more explosive build that Noloam is running. I figure, it's still a new deck, there's possibly many small variations that could end up mattering in the long run, so might as well try them out. If I don't enjoy it as much, I'll go back to the GW version. I'm gonna miss Displacer in the colorless shell though :( That thing is a beast...
I as well am going to switch back to the Colorless build and see how it runs compared to the GW build, as you said the deck is new and still needs testing on both ends.
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