[Primer] Eldrazi Stompy

[ChrisDissent]

i just 5-0'ed

Congratz !

With wich list of yours ? The "factories" one or the "wasteland" one ?

[Noloam_]

Congratz !

With wich list of yours ? The "factories" one or the "wasteland" one ?

tnx man. the 2 wasteland 3 factory split.

[Discus]

i find it funny that a lot of decks are playing blood moon as hatepiece vs eldrazi. they lock out themselves a lot of times also. just won vs UWR blade who just got raced, while bloodmoonlocking himself LEL

i just 5-0'ed.

-Colorless eldrazi (drgenial ^^)
-UR
-White eldrazi
-Infect
-UWR blade


i dont know about the tower mainboard. perhaps it should be another wasteland or the 2e urborg. i want to play the tower, but its hard for me to find the slots. i dont really find room for it in the sideboard also :(. i will have a chat about this with riehu

Yes ! :)
Congratz, and you did not crush any miracle player ^^

[Noloam_]

Yes ! :)
Congratz, and you did not crush any miracle player ^^

tnx. yeah i usually get my 5-0's by playing against at least 1 ant or miracle player. so im quite lucky. these matches are not that great tbh.

[otisblair]

Hi everyone, first time poster. I built a version of Eldrazi a couple of weeks ago on MODO and have been really enjoying playing it. Thanks to everyone on this thread for great insight. I'm still trying to working on the best build for me and wanted to share my thoughts. I have been running the wg splash version and am very high on Eldrazi Displacer so plan on sticking with the white splash till something pushes me off. I like the World Breaker out of the board but don't think it's essential. Here's my current record followed by my current build with thoughts:

My MODO handle: TheSinisterSecret
Results through 4 leagues:

(Hope it's not tacky to post your opponents by MODO name)
League 1
Blood_Ninja69 miracles 2-0
unkoman miracles 2-0
YaTree miracles 1-2
Metznich clerics 2-1
kozel miracles 2-1

League 2
Gr8gorilla79 jeskai delver 2-0
Caveman56 shardless 2-1
Kevinliu23 bug delver 2-1
Bahra shardless 1-2
itilgor grixis delver 1-2

League 3
EronRelentless shardless 1-2
YaTree miracles 1-2
r4wk5t4r shardless 2-1
ORDAL ur delver 1-2
hvolk74 shardless 2-1

League 4
Murilo death and taxes 2-1
Kumazemi miracles 2-1
Grahilah shardless 2-0
PCK colorless eldrazi 2-1
Negator77 dark depths 0-2

Vs. Miracles: 4-2
Vs. Shardless: 4-2
Vs. Delver: 2-2
Vs. Clerics: 1-0
Vs. Dark Depths: 0-1
Vs. Edlrazi: 1-0
Vs. Death and Taxes: 1-0

MAIN DECK

Mana base: 27 sources. I haven't needed to touch this since I started playing it. Have been very happy with the splits. As much as Eye of Ugin is key, the deck really can't afford dead cards in hand so I would be very reluctant to go to 4. I would love access to Wasteland but will continue to leave it out while I need colored sources.
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
3 Eye of Ugin
2 Brushland
2 Karakas
2 Mishra's Factory
3 Lotus Petal

Spells: 12. The industry standard seems just right to me at this point so haven't made any changes.
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Dismember
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail

Critters: 21. This is where I diverge the most from the group think. I have been very underwhelmed by Endless One. His/her (?) versatility is great but it has been incredibly easy for my opponents to answer it and it gets hit by random things like explosives or flickerwisp or decay. So I went from 4/0 to 3/1 to now a 2/2 split of Endless One and Phyrexian Metamorph. 3/1 split is likely better and I'll figure it out as I play more but I like the 2/2 for now so I can actually see them both in action. Metamorph is also nice with Displacer. I mentioned Displacer in the top of the post, but it does a lot of little things that have won me games I could not have won otherwise. I'd go to 4 but when I don't have a white source or Cavern, I don't want them to rot in hand. Finally, Endbringer has been awesome. It's not necessary in every game, but boy can this card ruin parity for my opponent. I am on 2 and don't expect to change that any time soon.
4 Eldrazi Mimic
3 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Endless One
2 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
2 Endbringer

SIDEBOARD

Removal suite: This is jumped around but have been happy with the current set. Ratchet bomb is a nice early play to handle the boarded in hate cards, specifically Moat and Blood Moon. Also good against both the aggro and mid-range opponents (Delver, Shardless). All is Dust is just great but like the split with the Bombs since late game blue decks can counter the big spell. Spatial Contortion is fine. Like this over Dismember right now for the aggro decks where I don't want to pay the life. But I could be talked into something else.
2 All Is Dust
1 Spatial Contortion
2 Ratchet Bomb

Extra tools: These could be any number of things. I am up on Needle right now for the mirror Wastelands and general versatility. World Breaker is mostly fun. Good in the mirror and is bigger than opposing Tarmos.
2 Pithing Needle
2 World Breaker

Fighting through the spell decks: This seems pretty standard so no extra thoughts.
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Warping Wail

Graveyard package: I've struggled with this. Started with 4 Leylines and am now on the following. Hasn't been super relevant for the matchups I've had but would rather have a versatile package here than the Leylines. This deck doesn't seem to want the card disadvantage that comes from uncastable Leylines in hand or the mulligans required to hit one. Running 1 RiP since it is not always easy to cast from hand but is nice against certain decks. Am considering Relic or Extraction but don't like the non-bo with Chalice.
1 Rest in Peace
2 Faerie Macabre

[Noloam_]

these channelfire ball guys used my list and quoted a wrong card XD

http://www.channelfireball.com/artic...ampaign=buffer

[SecondSunrise]

Well, to be fair their Endbringer is clearly superior to our Endbringer flavorwise... list seems really solid, still really want to play with Displacer though... Sigh

[Noloam_]

hehehe a guy commented that that sahauku endbringer was a great tech, because i run the urborgs XD

well.... i will never agree on the displacer thing i guess

[Barook]

well.... i will never agree on the displacer thing i guess

Just like there are different schools of Miracles - Legendary, Ponder, Mentor, etc.

Both builds have advantages and disadvantages. It's also a matter of playstyle. I can't bring myself to play lists without Displacer again.

[darkgh0st]

I lost to UR Delver tonight. G1 was taken by PoP+Fireblast, G2 was mana-screw, and Blood Mooned.
My 2nd loss was to the mirror. He basically broke through game 3 via Eldrazi Obligator.
I feel like the more Eldrazis we see, the more I want to pack Obligators in the SB to break the mirror match-ups.
Also, both matches I had to mull a couple of times. The deck feels like it doesn't mull too well.

[maraxusofkelds]

I lost to UR Delver tonight. G1 was taken by PoP+Fireblast, G2 was mana-screw, and Blood Mooned.
My 2nd loss was to the mirror. He basically broke through game 3 via Eldrazi Obligator.
I feel like the more Eldrazis we see, the more I want to pack Obligators in the SB to break the mirror match-ups.
Also, both matches I had to mull a couple of times. The deck feels like it doesn't mull too well.

You shouldnt be mulling that much. Mull if u dont get a sol land + another land in game 1. Game 2 and 3 it kinda depends on whether leyline or a lock piece is crucial.

[Noloam_]

i almost mull never to five. the scry-rule is great. but sometimes modo can give you 6 lands and you mull into no lands after that. that can really screw up your run


@barook. i agree with that. I also think that the perfect build depends on the meta.

[SecondSunrise]

@barook. i agree with that. I also think that the perfect build depends on the meta.

This seems worthy of further discussion. What are the metas each version is best against? From reading the last 10 pages or so, 3 main builds seem to have emerged:

1. The "no frills" approach, e.g. of Noloam, that plays straight colorless with additional maindeck lock pieces like Thorn;

2. Barooks initial Wg build, with more colored sources for Displacer and a light splash for Wolrd Breaker;

3. The new RW 'monstosities' with duals and even more petals to facilitate both Displacer and Obligator.

My initial intuition would be that the first is best against all the unfair decks but struggles against fair controlling decks like Shardless, wheres Barooks list is somewhat in the middle; finally the obligator list is maybe best against fair decks and the mirror, but has the most problems against unfair decks because there are more dead MD cards.

What do you all think about this? More concreteley, what do you think will be the best list for the upcoming GP's, where the meta is different than on MTGO?
Of course we could say that it's a question of 'preference' or 'taste', but that feels like a lazy way to say 'i don't want to think about it' :-P

[Barook]

This seems worthy of further discussion. What are the metas each version is best against? From reading the last 10 pages or so, 3 main builds seem to have emerged:

1. The "no frills" approach, e.g. of Noloam, that plays straight colorless with additional maindeck lock pieces like Thorn;

2. Barooks initial Wg build, with more colored sources for Displacer and a light splash for Wolrd Breaker;

3. The new RW 'monstosities' with duals and even more petals to facilitate both Displacer and Obligator.

My initial intuition would be that the first is best against all the unfair decks but struggles against fair controlling decks like Shardless, wheres Barooks list is somewhat in the middle; finally the obligator list is maybe best against fair decks and the mirror, but has the most problems against unfair decks because there are more dead MD cards.

What do you all think about this? More concreteley, what do you think will be the best list for the upcoming GP's, where the meta is different than on MTGO?
Of course we could say that it's a question of 'preference' or 'taste', but that feels like a lazy way to say 'i don't want to think about it' :-P

Badook?

NoLoam's colorless build does seem to be better vs Miracles. Also probably vs Storm, but whether or not you really need the extra help against them is up to debate.

My Wg build is better vs anything that cheats fatties into play (Reanimator, S&T), fatties in general, the mirror and decks with equipment.

The RW build is even stronger in the mirror, but at the cost of consistency and resilistence, namely losing Factory and Reshaper.

[SecondSunrise]

[QUOTE=Barook;951825]Badook?

Lol, I edited that typo 1 minute after posting, but obviously you still saw it X-D

[the_goat]

4-1 today on mtgo with this build inspired by Qernavak's list

W 2-0 vs dredge
W 2-0 vs eldrazi colorless
W 2-1 vs 12 post
L 2-1 vs shardless
W 2-0 vs shardless

i do not own the second waste and i replaced it with a second tower of the magistrate...and...well it saved me against shardless 2 games out of 2...making me attack for lethal thru his agent and strix...and was quite good in the match i lost vs shardless...

monolith saved me one game against 12post where i had eye of ugin and city but not other mana...and i topdeck'd smasher...with mimic in play ans other creatures...tap city cast monolith cast smasher...attack for lethal damages...rest of tournament...never drawn...

I like the list I will try to give it another spin tomorrow if i find time...

I am still super disappointed by all is dust...i draw it often and I am never ever able to cast it...reason being:
- they waste one of my lands
- they discard it before i reach 7 mana
- there is thorn on the table
- i took too much damage from tombs/dismember

is there someone that has good experience with all is dust? do we have other alternatives?

[Noloam_]

Badook?

NoLoam's colorless build does seem to be better vs Miracles. Also probably vs Storm, but whether or not you really need the extra help against them is up to debate.

My Wg build is better vs anything that cheats fatties into play (Reanimator, S&T), fatties in general, the mirror and decks with equipment.

The RW build is even stronger in the mirror, but at the cost of consistency and resilistence, namely losing Factory and Reshaper.

I can agree with all of this. I think my build is more of a eldrazi stompy deck (wastelands and lockpieces). Where your deck is more of an eldrazi aggro deck.


@goat

I know dem feelz man! But the point is, once you have seen it in action, you dont go back. It is a 7 mana i win spell. I really dislike the card, when i have 2 in my hand. Thats why i believe that playing 2 is the max. Vs nicfit, shardless, elves,
Merfolk etc, they are just dead when this card hits the table. I do think it is the weakest card from my sideboard

I also wonder, why you whould play all is dust & thorn is some matches? I never do that. Except for miracles, i bring in one vs bloodmoon and moat

[Deckerator]

Played at a small local tournament yesterday.
We played five rounds and i ended 4:1.
I still play the W/G-List.

We had three people at burn yesterday. I was paired against one and lost it because i couldnt race him.

1:2 vs Burn
2:0 vs "NicFit selfmade"
2:1 vs Colorless Eldrazi
2:1 vs Elves
2:0 vs Lands

Against Colorless Eldrazi Displacer and World Breaker were the real deal. In this match i wasnt as fast as he was but i had the better top curve.

Against Lands i could slow him down with a Chalice @1 and beat him down with the Eldrazis fast enough. Game 2 i mulled to 6 for the Leyline and a reshaper. I drew a Chalice and had enough time to pressure him down although he had three Maze of Ith.

The one match i lost against elves was G2 because he had Thoughtseize for my Chalice and got the Creatures with Cabal Therapy out of my hand. I could recover but he played
Wren's Run Packmaster and created to many Wolf tokens and i lost. In the third game i had turn 1 Chalice @1 and turn 3 Jitte and attacked him to keep his creatures in check.

Do you have experience with Worship against Burn? I think Burn is the hardest match up for me. What cards are good against burn?

[dr.philgood]

Disclaimer I have not tested this.
Powdered drazi

Creatures... Normal
4 tks
4 reality smasher
4 endless one
3 matter reshaper
3 drazi mimic
2 end bringer
1 phyrexian metamorphosis

Non creatures
4 chalice of the void
1 thorn
1 sphere
2 jittie
1 dismember
1 warping wail
1 mox diamond
2 serium powder

Lands
4 eldrazi temple
4 ancient tomb
2 city of trators
2 or 1 eye of ugin
2 crystal vein
1 tomb of yawgmoth
1 wastes
3 cavern of souls
2 mishras factory
1 gem stone caverns
4 swamps

Sideboard
4 leyline of the void
4 helm of awakening
2 serium powder
3 trinisphere
2 rhystic tutor




..... The mana base may need a bit of work.... And the rhystic tutors may just be bad... But it's a neat and clean transitional sb

[the_goat]

Played at a small local tournament yesterday.
We played five rounds and i ended 4:1.
I still play the W/G-List.

We had three people at burn yesterday. I was paired against one and lost it because i couldnt race him.

1:2 vs Burn
2:0 vs "NicFit selfmade"
2:1 vs Colorless Eldrazi
2:1 vs Elves
2:0 vs Lands

Against Colorless Eldrazi Displacer and World Breaker were the real deal. In this match i wasnt as fast as he was but i had the better top curve.

Against Lands i could slow him down with a Chalice @1 and beat him down with the Eldrazis fast enough. Game 2 i mulled to 6 for the Leyline and a reshaper. I drew a Chalice and had enough time to pressure him down although he had three Maze of Ith.

The one match i lost against elves was G2 because he had Thoughtseize for my Chalice and got the Creatures with Cabal Therapy out of my hand. I could recover but he played
Wren's Run Packmaster and created to many Wolf tokens and i lost. In the third game i had turn 1 Chalice @1 and turn 3 Jitte and attacked him to keep his creatures in check.

Do you have experience with Worship against Burn? I think Burn is the hardest match up for me. What cards are good against burn?

Zuran orb has 2 spots in my side...it nullifies their Price of progress...i love it in mirror as well...where tombs/dismember are lowering your life total...and you can transform a redundant eye/urborg in mana and lives...

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