[Primer] R/G Lands

[Drake0525]

I've been playing main a one of World Breaker, has helped me out a great deal against Miracles. It's a little slow but it's a uncounterable way of removing a annoying counter balance.

I originally had Worm Harvest main and it didn't really do much for me. In the majority of the matchups I would side it out a bunch.

With World Breaker I find I've been leaving it in a lot after sideboard. It's a house against a lot of the grindy matchups.

World breaker seems promising. It can be countered, but it's effect is on cast - nothing Miracles can do about that. I'll have to take a look at my list and figure out what cuts to make. Thanks guys!

[Claymore]

I've been finding World Breaker incredibly slow to hard cast, but it can get there. Essentially only seems viable against Miracles. Should it be sideboard?

Smokestacks was brought up previously as tech against Miracles, as they can't really answer it and the Stax will eventually eat their board. I ran it in Jund Depths and found it was hit or miss, as you really needed Exploration to get anywhere with the Stax. It's probably very bad against Mentor Miracles right now too if they get their Mentor online.

[CovenantElite30]

I've been finding World Breaker incredibly slow to hard cast, but it can get there. Essentially only seems viable against Miracles. Should it be sideboard?

Smokestacks was brought up previously as tech against Miracles, as they can't really answer it and the Stax will eventually eat their board. I ran it in Jund Depths and found it was hit or miss, as you really needed Exploration to get anywhere with the Stax. It's probably very bad against Mentor Miracles right now too if they get their Mentor online.

Have you tested with worm harvest at all? If you have would you say World Breaker is better in the slot over work harvest?

Both cards have there pros and cons and both cards are very slow. Personally game 1 can get very very long against miracles and knowing I have an out is a great feeling.

[Claymore]

Currently running both mainboard. I like the Worms better, they can come down sooner, are hard to Countertop, and force Terminus fairly quickly. I think they're different applications for sure, but Worms seem to be stronger overall.

I haven't gotten to hardcast the World Breaker too often, usually it gets cast once and then is immediately STP'd.

[Drake0525]

Currently running both mainboard. I like the Worms better, they can come down sooner, are hard to Countertop, and force Terminus fairly quickly. I think they're different applications for sure, but Worms seem to be stronger overall.

I haven't gotten to hardcast the World Breaker too often, usually it gets cast once and then is immediately STP'd.

How is it that you're able to resolve that through FOW? Do you just retrace it over and over until it resolves?

Edit: The more important question might be, how do you fit both the Worm Harvest and Worldbreaker packages into the main?

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Hmm, your right of course. There is no way to remove it without sideboard cards. Maybe I'll just leave manabond where it is.

worth noting, Riftstone lets you win the game if you have 2 crop rotations, 2 green sources and a combo piece.

Riftstone is better if you find yourself grinding games out more often then not as your a lot more flexible with your mana/lands.

[Drake0525]

worth noting, Riftstone lets you win the game if you have 2 crop rotations, 2 green sources and a combo piece.

Riftstone is better if you find yourself grinding games out more often then not as your a lot more flexible with your mana/lands.

Wow, I didn't even see that line! Thanks for the heads up on that. That could be really amusing!

[Claymore]

How is it that you're able to resolve that through FOW? Do you just retrace it over and over until it resolves?

Edit: The more important question might be, how do you fit both the Worm Harvest and Worldbreaker packages into the main?

They only have 4 FoW in the deck, and that's the only card that can stop Worms (other than RiP). That's also assuming they haven't spent a Force yet. It's not a given to resolve through a FoW in hand or a CounterTop, but it has a much better shot than all of the 1 and 2 cc spells.

I'm running a different deck. I'm gallivanting in here because the Jund Depths thread is dead and we use similar concepts.

[snorlaxcom]

worth noting, Riftstone lets you win the game if you have 2 crop rotations, 2 green sources and a combo piece.

Riftstone is better if you find yourself grinding games out more often then not as your a lot more flexible with your mana/lands.

Riftstone is the green source, so 2 mana (at least 2 lands) + 2 combo pieces (lands/crops) gets Marit out.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

I should've been more specific, Riftstone being in your deck let's you win from 2 green sources and a combo piece if you have 2 crop rotations.

It's negligible really as it infrequently occurs but it is a cool upside.

[The_Dingo]

I should've been more specific, Riftstone being in your deck let's you win from 2 green sources and a combo piece if you have 2 crop rotations.

It's negligible really as it infrequently occurs but it is a cool upside.

These sort of lines definitely happen, and it's helpful to have these sort of lines against burn and DnT. I probably wouldn't try this plan against a deck with FoW unless I'm pretty desperate.

[jhport12]

If you need to hedge main deck play Riftstone AND Worm Harvest. Then you have a small out to Moon decks and slightly improved miracles MU.

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Blood Moon decks that are grindy, I can see that working. Fast Blood Moon decks, on the other hand...

Specifically, I'm thinking about Sneak Attack decks (mono-red or multicolor) that play Blood Moon main. The truth may be that we have to accept a horrible matchup.

I can see why Miracles is so popular: it generally has few truly terrible match-ups. Meanwhile, Storm and Sneak Attack often just steamroll us.

[Alexeezay]

Running 1 Molten Vortex over the 4th Punishing Fire MD also isn't bad against Moon decks. I once used that and almost won G1 vs Goblin Stompy with 2 Moons out. But he played Chalice on 2 :(
I think having 1 Vortex is fine anyway.

[The_Dingo]

Running 1 Molten Vortex over the 4th Punishing Fire MD also isn't bad against Moon decks. I once used that and almost won G1 vs Goblin Stompy with 2 Moons out. But he played Chalice on 2 :(
I think having 1 Vortex is fine anyway.

I had this exact situation occur last night. I went on to win the match by drawing multiple K grips in both postboard games.

[CovenantElite30]

Question: Is Stunning Regrowth a card we could play in lands?

3G Sorcery

Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
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[Dice_Box]

First question you should always ask, what would this take the place of? If you can't see a reason to cut something for it, it's not getting played. In this case it's not something you want in the main and it's weakness to Graveyard hate means your don't want it in the side.

[barcode]

The card is hilarious with Tireless Tracker! But so is Life from the Loam and Exploration. Nope, I don't want it except for my Gitrog Commander deck.

[jhport12]

Question: Is Stunning Regrowth a card we could play in lands?

3G Sorcery

Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
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I was definitely excited to see this card exists, but not for Lands.

I mean, they get back all the lands I Wastelanded? No thanks. And coming in tapped means that I can't make a 20/20, Maze a Tarmagoyf, recur a Punishing Fire, or do much else.

[Claymore]

This is one sided. Return all Wastelands and Ghost Quarters.

This does give a 4 cost land recursion spell to navigate around Counterbalance.

[Sparkii]

This is one sided. Return all Wastelands and Ghost Quarters.

This does give a 4 cost land recursion spell to navigate around Counterbalance.

I'd rather leave them in the yard and just start slamming Worm Harvests.