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    Enchant Creature, Land, or planeswalker.
    Enchanted permanent is a colorless land with "t: add C to your mana pool" and loses all other card types and abilities.

    It is removal, LD, and has awesome to pitch to FOW?
    Where do you read "gain control"?
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    Re: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

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    Goblin Ringleader got you all the goblins revealed and since the deck played 2/3 goblins it usually drew you 2/3 cards. This human ringleader only gets you 1 human.
    That's ok, Goblin Ringleader usually only gives me 1 card anyway.
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    Re: nnRe: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    Where do you read "gain control"?
    I don't understand?

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    It is removal, LD, and has awesome to pitch to FOW?
    It's not really land destruction. Intriguing card for Tallowisp and Zur the Enchanter decks.

    Edit: Not an enchant creature

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    Re: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    It's not really land destruction. Intriguing card for Tallowisp and Zur the Enchanter decks.
    Well it's close. Also I don't think Tallowisp can search for this?

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    Re: nnRe: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

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    I don't understand?
    The opponent still controls the land, Creature or Walker and can tap it fo mana
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    The mana cost is a bit prohibitive for legacy.

    Maybe some kind of modern combo deck with Amulet of Vigor or Realms Uncharted can make it pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    It's not really land destruction.
    Against troublesome lands (Tabernacle, Cradle, etc), it's almost as good. And technically it can let you Waste a basic!

    But yeah, not really LD, and not really Legacy material.
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    Re: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    On a sidenote: Do the Multiverse Power Rangers suffer from the Star Wars Empire idiocy?

    "Oh the Rebels destroyed the Deathstar, so lets build a bigger one!"
    "Oh the Eldrazi escaped the hedron prison, so lets build a bigger one!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echelon View Post
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    Re: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    This might not be a card people maindeck but this is a mono-u card with a reasonable casting cost that can deal with any creature, any planeswalker or any land and you don't think it's legacy playable? There is not a comparable card, mono-u doesn't usually get to do those things. I think it's going to see play across formats.

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    Re: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by iatee View Post
    This might not be a card people maindeck but this is a mono-u card with a reasonable casting cost that can deal with any creature, any planeswalker or any land and you don't think it's legacy playable? There is not a comparable card, mono-u doesn't usually get to do those things. I think it's going to see play across formats.
    Solutions which cost much more than the card they remove/disable are not compeditive
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    Re: nnRe: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    The opponent still controls the land, Creature or Walker and can tap it fo mana
    Yeah - I know, but what does that have to do with what I said? It still acts as removal for Creatures/Troublesome Lands/PWs and can pitch to FOW.

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    Solutions which cost much more than the card they remove/disable are not compeditive
    Council's Judgment costs as much or more than the majority of things it removes/disables.

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    Well it's close. Also I don't think Tallowisp can search for this?
    I guess not, though it seems slightly ambiguous. Is "Enchant X,Y, or Z" one ability, or "Enchant X, Enchant Y and Enchant Z"? (I tried to find an official ruling for analogous cards like Brink of Disaster but was unable to.)

    On the theme of silly rules questions, does Sigarda's Blessing allow players to cast with Bestow at instant speed?

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    Re: nnRe: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Yeah - I know, but what does that have to do with what I said? It still acts as removal for Creatures/Troublesome Lands/PWs and can pitch to FOW.
    Because removal & landdestruction mean something different in my language. You wanna "remove" tabernacle fron lands that way if your opponent can simply target it with wasteland, Loam and drop it again?

    If you want to remove troublesome lands, play wasteland
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    Re: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    I guess not, though it seems slightly ambiguous. Is "Enchant X,Y, or Z" one ability, or "Enchant X, Enchant Y and Enchant Z"? (I tried to find an official ruling for analogous cards like Brink of Disaster but was unable to.)
    The answer is no:

    http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ene-2005-07-29

    On the theme of silly rules questions, does Sigarda's Blessing allow players to cast with Bestow at instant speed?
    No. Rule 601.2 says, in part:

    "A player must be legally allowed to cast the spell to begin this process"

    Since the bestow card doesn't become an Aura until the second step in casting (rule 601.2b), where modes and alternative costs are chosen, the card would not be an Aura at the time that you put it on the stack.

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    Re: nnRe: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    Because removal & landdestruction mean something different in my language. You wanna "remove" tabernacle fron lands that way if your opponent can simply target it with wasteland, Loam and drop it again?

    If you want to remove troublesome lands, play wasteland
    They can simply Loam it again if you play Wasteland too. I don't think the primary use of this card is to stop troublesome lands, that's just an upside that's attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
    Because removal & landdestruction mean something different in my language. You wanna "remove" tabernacle fron lands that way if your opponent can simply target it with wasteland, Loam and drop it again?

    If you want to remove troublesome lands, play wasteland
    Is oblivion ring not counted as removal since it can be disenchanted?

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    It's not really land destruction.
    It's not real land destruction, but it deals with Maze, Karakas, ... and can potentially color screw opponent.
    But it's probably better as creature and planeswalker removal. It's the best creature removal blue ever got, right? (Well, Control Magic but that is at 4 CC.)

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    Re: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    It's not really land destruction. Intriguing card for Tallowisp and Zur the Enchanter decks.

    Edit: Not an enchant creature
    I would be of the opposite opinion. I believe that Tallowisp can indeed fetch it. Tallowisp can fetch an aura card with enchant creature. This is an aura card with enchant creature.

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    Re: nnRe: Eldritch Moon spoilers inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by Cire View Post
    Is oblivion ring not counted as removal since it can be disenchanted?
    ...and O.Ring is seeing play outside of enchantress?

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    The only established blue Legacy deck which might consider the card ist mono U OmniTell as it can bear the cost thanks to sollands and it covering a problematic angle
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