Any thoughts about the new Pod card
Eldritch Evolution (1GG) Rare
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Eldritch Evolution, sacrifice a creature.
Search your library for a creature card with converted mana cost X or less, where X is 2 plus the sacrificed creature's converted mana cost. Put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. Exile Eldritch Evolution.
I know that there are better card choices to play (GSZ, Pod, NO). The reason why I'm bringing this up is because the "X = 2+ CMC of sac creature" clause.
An example would be
T1 Noble or DRS
T2 Evolve into Knight
T3 Evolve into Sigarda....
What do yall think?
Honestly, it is card disadvantage and worse than GSZ other than for fetching non-green creatures, which isn't that significant in our deck, therefore I don't see it being playable. The biggest drawback is the "sacrifice a creature" part as an additional cost. Counterspells like FoW, Daze, and Spell Pierce make it sad.Originally Posted by Thunderknight
Got top 4 in one of my local stores Monthly legacy event. I think there was around 30 or so. List:
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Mother of Runes
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Tireless Tracker
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Titania, Priestess of Aragoth
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Ajani Vengeant
2 Savannah
1 Taiga
1 Plateau
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Karakas
4 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Dryad Arbor
SB:
1 Sudden Shock
3 Elecktrickery
2 Krosan Grip
2 Pyroblast
2 Kor Firewalker
3 Faerie Macabre
1 Choke
1 Ethersworn Canonist
Round 1: Daretti Stax
Game 1: I get a pretty solid start and he gets a tangle wire down but I have a triple wasteland hand and he can't keep up.
game 2: I pretty much have it all and get a SoFaI on a man and he has Crucible going but I am able to attack Daretti and then helix him dead with Ajani to turn off his card advantage engine and I have green sun for his Forgemaster and kill him.
1-0
Round 2: White Eldrazi
Game 1: He gets a Jitte and I'm wasting his resources with Knight but he gets jitte big. Eventually I get Ajani to keep his Endless one tapped and he has to move his Jitte over so I helix it and Jitte gets to 5. I'm at 4 and attack him to 2 with my KOTR with 2 lands. He attacks with his Thought Knot and I flash in Scryb to untap knight, block, and kill him.
Game 2: He gets a pretty decent draw and crushes me because I don't see any big dudes.
Game 3: more of the same, I dont see a single green sun and his draw isn't really special, I just dont have any dudes that can contend.
1-1
Round 3: Shardless BUG
Game 1: I'm on the play and go Dryad Arbor off of Green Sun, he plays Deathrite. I play Scavenging Ooze with mana open. He Thoughtseizes me but I guess he doesnt have removal and Scooze takes over the game while I assemble Voltron on a Scryb Ranger with both Swords.
Game 2: He plays trop and passes. I play a dork and he has a T2 Scooze. I waste his green source and continue to waste him thanks to knight while I also have Thalia and Mother out after a few turns and eventually he stops playing lands and succumbs.
2-1
Round 4: Manaless Dredge
I know what he's on so I know what I need to mull to.
Game 1: I have a T2 Thalia and mana dorks but nothing else. Eventually I find a Jitte and get it going but by this time he gets plenty of bridge triggers. I jitte one of my guys to get rid of bridges, but I draw nothing but lands for the rest of the game and I die to Zombies. Fucking Misery.
Game 2: I take the draw and have a Turn 2 Scavenging ooze with cradle for mana. He's never in the game.
Game 3: I mull to 5, keep something like Thalia, Noble Hierarch, 2x Green Sun, Knight. I scry and see a forest. So I open by passing to him since I'm on the play. Get a turn 2 Dork into turn 3 Thalia. I have to green sun for more dorks because I'm briking on lands but I eventually get Scavengin Ooze with Cradle off of Knight and take over the game.
3-1
Round 5: Reanimator
It's nedleeds and I know what he's on.
Game 1: I keep a 1 land hand with Noble, 2x Green Sun, Knight, 2x Swords to plowshares I think? I have to green sun for a 2nd Hierarch on turn 2 and he reanimates Elesh Norn and I STP it but he wraths my board and I'm back to 1 land. Eventually I draw a 2nd, and third and he doesn't have much action whil I get Scooze off of my 2nd Green Sun.
Game 2: I keep an awkward one on the draw. Plains, Karakas, Cradle, Stoneforge, Knight, Knight Green Sun I think. He makes a turn 2 Griselbrand and I karakas it. I draw Mom and forget to play cradle to make Green. fortunately he has to reshape his hand. I draw Faerie macabre off of the top and he goes for entomb Grave Titan into Exhume and I blow him out exiling his 2 dudes and getting back the Macabre. I attack him to 1 next turn and draw another macabre off the top just in case.
4-1 into top 8 as the high seed.
Top 8: UG 12 Post
Game 1: I think he was kind of on a budget. He had a couple Breeding Pools and no candles I believe. He gets a Needle on Wasteland on turn 1 but he doesn't find any post lands and I SoFaI up a KOTR and kill him quickly.
Game 2: He gets triple Maze of Ith (vesuva copying) and I try to Waste him with Knight and he has crop rotation twice to save posts. He needles Knight and I'm not able to get much damage through, but I get Ajani down, keep his cloudpost tapped and Swords his primeval titan (fetched vesuva copying maze and glimmerpost)and I pridemage needle, waste him off of Cloudposts and Ajani Ultimate him and kill him. God damn Ajani is so fucking sick.
Top 4: Death and Taxes
Game 1: He assembles Batterskull with sword and Jitte equipped and my Knight doesnt stand a chance against active Displacer.
Game 2: he gets a vial and no second lands, but I dont find pridemage to punish him and the vial lets him go nutty despite him having a Containment priest. I sudden shock in response to an equip, but he has another land to equip to Revoker and then finds a flickerwisp for my Mom on SofaI and kills it with Revoker and SoFaI and I die.
Rough beats in top 4. Not sure how the match up is. I feel like Elecktrickery is good, but maybe not as good as I think since Displacer and Serra Avenger don't get killed by it, and same with Sudden Shock. Maybe just straight up Bolt would be better. Overall the deck felt better than it did thursday. I like the fact that it essentially can't lose to combo. Death and Taxes feels like an oddly bad match up. Eldrazi is probably not terrible, I just drew poorly I think. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.
Hi everybody, after 2 years playing infect I decided tu turn back to my favourite deck: Maverick. I was in Prague for the GP and I saw many GW at day2 but all of them were raped by Miracle as usual. I'm building a list that could win against miracle...has anybody of you ever considered Pack Rat as a menace? is not fast but if u solve one of them with 3 mana open, they are forced to find a terminus (plowshare is useless, because u can put a copy into play) to kill it and even if u have many rats it will be a 1×1. U think that a SB with pack rat is too excessive? Any impression? Thank you
Small tournament report from my LGS's weekly legacy night. Went 3-1 beating reanimator, death and taxes, and lands. Lost to Esper Deathblade.
Round 1: 2-1 vs Reanimator
Thought he was on storm as that is what he played last week, kept a slightly slowish hand with double thalia, sylvan library, a couple of lands and some other two drop. He also kept a slowish hand, and I topdecked a deathrite and then at some point also got out a scavenging ooze. Game 2 he had triple daze which matched up pretty nicely against my turn 1 thoughtseize into turn two ooze, into turn 3 knight. Afterwards I pretty much topdecked lands, and he eventually got to three mana to cast show and tell into inkwell leviathan. Game three I was able to get both deathrite and ooze out, I misplayed by not activating ooze in response to a pithing needle which he then followed up with a massacre, I still had a deathrite in hand though and had enough gas to power it out.
-1 Teeg
-4 Mom
-1 Jitte
-1 Stoneforge
+2 Surgical
+1 Pithing Needle
+3 Thoughtseize
+1 Containment Priest
Round 2: 0-1-1 vs Esper Deathblade
Made lots of mistakes in our games, but the gist of game one was getting beat down by a true name nemesis with a jitte. Game 2 was quite grindy and I still made several mistakes, if I had drawn a third land I think I would've more firmly had that game. Game two ended with us swinging back and forth with my deathrite equipped with a sword of light and shadow and him with a batterskull as well as a rest in peace in play and a pithing needle naming my sword of fire and ice, which was also in play.
Not 100% sure what i boarded, and i definitely don't feel like I'm boarding correctly.
-1 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Teeg
-1 Hierarch
-1 Jitte
- something else?
+1 Garruk Relentless
+2 Zealous Persecution
+1 Pridemage
+something else? maybe a needle?
Round 3: 2-0 vs Death and Taxes
Pretty straightforward lopsided games that were both won off of knights. Game one I wasted his port and sea gate wreckage, stranding him with two lands and a fist full of three drops. Game 2 he dumped his hand to meet my zealous persecution.
-1 Teeg
-4 Thalia
-1 Ooze
+1 Pridemage
+2 Z. Persecution
+2 Pithing Needle
+1 Containment Priest
Round 4: 2-0 vs Lands
Definitely thought this match up would be somewhat unfavorable, but it felt pretty good. Knights won both games tutoring wastelands to destroy maze of iths. Game 2 I forgot that marit lage was legendary so i tapped my karakas while leaving up scrubland for a swords on his possible marit lage. Plowed his marit lage, used a pridemage to destroy a mox, used knight to waste him down to just one land while having a deathrite and ooze in play. Beat him down with two 7/7 knights, an ooze, and a thalia.
-1 Jitte
-1 Teeg
-2 Thalia
+2 surgical extraction
+2 Pithing Needle
Overall went 3-1 for fourth place. Definitely made some dumb mistakes, and probably many bad board decisions. How does everyone else board against Deathblade? Would really like help in that match up as its one of the few that doesn't feel too straightforward.
Congrats to the Maverick player that got 11th at the SCG open. They piloted punishing maverick with the dark depths combo, thought their deck looked interesting.
Here's the list:
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...?DeckID=105138
What are people's thoughts on punishing maverick versus dark maverick? Which match-ups or what types of decks is punishing maverick better against?
Thanks, this was me.
Reposting list for the lazy:
3x Deathrite Shaman
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
2x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Scavenging Ooze
3x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Knight of the Reliquary
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Swords to Plowshares
3x Punishing Fire
1x Sylvan Library
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Batterskull
4x Windswept Heath
3x Wooded Foothills
2x Savannah
2x Taiga
1x Plateau
1x Bayou
1x Forest
1x Plains
3x Grove of the Burnwillows
1x Karakas
3x Wasteland
1x Thespian's Stage
1x Dark Depths
SB: 1x Winter Orb
SB: 1x Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1x Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1x Reclamation Sage
SB: 1x Scavenging Ooze
SB: 1x Crop Rotation
SB: 1x Krosan Grip
SB: 2x Surgical Extraction
SB: 1x Gaddock Teeg
SB: 3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
SB: 1x Fiery Justice
SB: 1x Bojuka Bog
Matchups were as follows:
Canadian Thresh (2-1)
Merfolk (2-1)
RG Lands (2-0)
Eldrazi (2-0)
UB Reanimator (2-0)
Grixis Delver (2-0)
Death & Taxes (2-0)
Dredge (2-1)
Shardless BUG (1-1)
Eldrazi (1-1)
RG Lands (1-2)
BR Reanimator (2-1)
UG Infect (1-2)
UG Infect (2-1)
Preordain Miracles (2-1)
Final Record: 11-2-2
After throwing various configurations against the wall over the past few months I think I came up with a decent list. Anyone else working on this version? I get the impression almost all Maverick players these days are on GWb.
Edit: mistyped one match result last night.
Last edited by Seraphix; 07-11-2016 at 10:20 AM.
Cool. I'm on a non punishing red list because I don't have Groves. Any thoughts on an ETutor in the sideboard since you have a few 1-ofs? Does lack of Thalia feel bad in the meta right now main board? In combo matches do you feel like you're just auto scooping to game 2? Would you consider new Thalia when she comes out? How fucking sick is fiery justice? Will little Johnny get out of the well?
Please post a photo of the decklist in question, otherwise, how can I trust you? Was the BOP beta?
First of all: congrats Meritt. Do you have your own customized 20/20 Meritt Lage token already?I wondered how you feel about playing without Abrupt Decays.
Anyway, some good Maverick content showed up last week on Youtube on Legacy's Allure, it is Ep. 17, Maverick with Tom Herzog , for those who missed it: https://youtu.be/CHzeWOi3yiE
My Birds are pretty shameful tbh.
Your list is sweet!
I sometimes play an E-Tutor package, but if I'm playing Dark Depths I go with Crop Rotation instead. There isn't room in the sideboard for both in this version. I do like E-Tutor though.
Game 1 against combo decks is definitely a lot harder without Thalia, but its definitely not an auto-loss and you still win some of them.
Fiery Justice might be kind of iffy but its a pet card. I cast it once this weekend to blow up a Mentor and Snapcaster Mage, but goofed on the damage distribution and could have safely killed a Monk too.
Not sure about New Thalia, but if she had a home in Maverick I have to think it would be in GWb, not Punishing.
First of all: congrats Meritt. Do you have your own customized 20/20 Meritt Lage token already?
Anyway, some good Maverick content showed up last week on Youtube on Legacy's Allure, it is Ep. 17, Maverick with Tom Herzog , for those who missed it: https://youtu.be/CHzeWOi3yiE
Yeah, the "custom" token was kind of a no-brainer as soon as I started playing this card.
Abrupt Decay is a great Magic card but I don't think there is enough Black mana to reliably play it in this version. I honestly haven't played Decay much in Maverick (even when I played GWb) so I can't really evaluate it in the context of the deck.
I agonized over which version to build for about a month. I ended up on Punishing Maverick after reading your blog and seeing Fabian Gorzgen do well with it. I have been looking forward to reading about your Worcester results. Grats on your awesome finish!
Keep working on your drawing skills! ;-)
Yeah, the "custom" token was kind of a no-brainer as soon as I started playing this card.
Abrupt Decay is a great Magic card but I don't think there is enough Black mana to reliably play it in this version. I honestly haven't played Decay much in Maverick (even when I played GWb) so I can't really evaluate it in the context of the deck.
I never have issues to get the black mana, i play 1 BOP, 4 DRS, 1 Scrubland and 1 Bayou. I didn't realize mana was the issue, i thought you just didn't like Abrupt Decay too much.
To clarify one thing-I don't play a Punishing Fire version because I believe it to be "better" than GWb. I play it out of personal preference/playstyle. GWb has some notable advantages including better game 1 against combo, smoother manabase (and is also a much better Cradle deck, a card I think is very strong in Maverick), and access to discard and Zealous Persecution in the sideboard.
It should be possible to build a truly 4-color version (anyone remember the Punishing lists with Geist of Saint Traft?) but it sounds too greedy for me to try. If I look at my current manabase, dropping the basic Plains for a Scrubland and mixing up the fetches/mana dorks a little should be able to enable Black spells in the 75. Maybe throw in a copy of Loam to smooth things out. Again, I have never tried this.
[Video/Podcast] Legacy's Allure - Ep. 17, Maverick with Tom Herzog
Hey everyone! New Legacy's Allure episode is available. This time we're talking Maverick and fighting the fair fight with Tom Herzog. This episode was really fun to record so we hope you enjoy it!
Webcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzeWOi3yiE
Podcast: http://shoutengine.com/LegacysAllure...m-herzog-21347
As always, check it out on iTunes also!
Thanks for sharing the podcast/YouTube link. Always fun to see some Maverick love and that Tom is still around. When it went out in fashion - after its dominance in, what, circa 2010-2012 - I picked up the deck and fielded in it a bunch of local tourneys and IQ's. I had a few small Top 8's to my name with the deck. Seems like by 2014 people were surprised the deck still existed, and that they were further surprised that the deck would beat some of the newer, sexier decks entering the scene (e.g., Team America, Miracles, etc.) Honestly if it weren't for Miracles - and to a lesser extent, Elves - I think the deck would be perfectly fine and arguably one of the decks to beat in the format. Be that as it may, I have a few deck-evolving questions for everyone - this with respect to the GWb version:
* I've always run a 4:1 DRS:Noble split - that was the tried and true way Tom ran it, as did I. However, I've considered going 3:2 or even 2:3 (i.e. more Nobles) than DRS because of the necessity of hitting a T2 3-drop like THC. Also, it doesn't weaken KotR as much as DRS eating your own lands. What are people's experiences in terms of their current DRS:Noble split?
* Are people liking 0, 1, or 2 Sylvan Library mainboard? I used to run 2 mainboard but I've scaled it back due to the speed and explosiveness of Eldrazi.
* How many T,GoT are people fielding these days? It seems like 3 or 4 was the mainstay. I've always run 4 but I am considering backing off to 3. Yes/no?
* Thoughts on the new Thalia, Heretic Cathar? From reading the DnT forums people seem pretty high on her. I think she could be an excellent addition to the deck and with a big first strike body and exalted triggers from Nobles and Qasali could dish out serious punishment.
As an aside, has anyone given serious consideration to running stock GW again? A while back the deck evolved into the Punishing version (GWr) and Abzan version (GWb) to fight off fair and unfair decks, respectively. However, with the new Thalia, if she is the real deal, she could be a consistent answer to both fair and unfair decks without needing a 3rd color. This would allow better mana consistency (only 2 colors) and also allow us to play some of our old fun lands and tech cards, particularly Maze of Ith and Dueling Ground in the SB. Thoughts?
One thing I like about new Thalia in Maverick is we can drop her T2, something that DNT cant do with their "stock" lists. Given ththe choice I would most likely drop old Thalia before the new one with both in hand. But having that option to drop heretical t2 on the play seems pretty good.
Went 2-0-1 last night and 4-0 tonight with my above list. I'm really liking the 2 Scavenging Ooze. Probably going to play the deck in our Quarterly Moxen event -2 Stoneforge, -1 Sword of Light and Shadow, +3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar. I think she might be insane. The deck seems pretty well positioned against Eldrazi. Thalia probably improves it even more.
Hey,
im brewing for a few days now and cant wait for Thalia HC
here are 2 lists im trying to test the next weeks:
my meta is full of Miracles/Aggro Loam/Eldrazi
straight G/W like in the old days - cutting SFM and jamming only 2 Jittes (works fine for me in the past..)
4 Savannah
2 Forrest
1 Plains
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
1 Gaeas Cradle
1 Karakas
5 Fetchland
1 Maze of Ith
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
2 Qasal Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scrybranger
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3/4 Thalia GoT
2/3 Thalia HC
4 Green Suns Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawas Jitte
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
Sideboard would look something like this
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Dueling Grounds
1 Choke
2 Path to Exile
1 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Pithing Needle
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Krosan Grip
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Winter Orb
G/Wb
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Gaeas Cradle
2 Forrest
1 Plains
6 Fetchland
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Noble Hierarch
3 Mother of Runes
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasal Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Thalia, GoT
1 Scrybranger
2 Thalia, HC
4 Green Suns Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawas Jitte
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Life from the Loam
Sideboard
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Containment Priest
2 Pithing Needle
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Krosan Grip
1 Abrupt Decay
i would love to get some feedback from you guys
Skizz, your GW and GWb deck lists look extremely similar to what I've been envisioning. I will try to get in some playtesting this weekend and report in as well.
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