[Primer] R/G Lands

[CovenantElite30]

4 Tireless Tracker
4 Krosan Grip
3 Sphere of Resistance
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Pithing Needle
1 Primeval Titan

What did I cut? I cut cards like the 4th Crop Rotation and 4th Dark Depths to fit in Karakas and Bog in my starting 60. Hell, I even have a Ghost Quarter and Worm Harvest in the starting 60.

Do you find yourself bringing tireless tracker in almost every matchup now as another win con?

[barcode]

Do you find yourself bringing tireless tracker in almost every matchup now as another win con?

Yup. It just takes over the game. If I have Exploration and find a Loam things just get out of hand.

[myopic]

I even made a mistake in that game, it might be hard to spot if you -- the viewer -- can't see my graveyard and library.

Played 3 lands in one turn at 1:15 I suppose.
You were also open for bolts when both chasms went away previously, but that was mentioned by the commentators. forgot to waste your Stage/Casm before loaming would be my route.

In the final game you were vulnerable to submerge. A Crop Rotate on the forest would be safer.

[Dice_Box]

4 Tireless Tracker
4 Krosan Grip
3 Sphere of Resistance
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Pithing Needle
1 Primeval Titan

What did I cut? I cut cards like the 4th Crop Rotation and 4th Dark Depths to fit in Karakas and Bog in my starting 60. Hell, I even have a Ghost Quarter and Worm Harvest in the starting 60.

I would cut the Prime for a Riftstone if you're running four Tracker. The two are just a wonderful pair.

[Crimhead]

I would cut the Prime for a Riftstone if you're running four Tracker. The two are just a wonderful pair.

I haven't played TT yet, how does it work well with Riftstone? Is it just the extra mana production from Portal complimenting the extra mana costs of sacrificing clues? I guess if we are going for an alternate victory condition, DD gotta do something? Also Tabernacle will tap to pay for TT?

I've been running Riftstone main, but I'm thinking of swapping Nissas from the board in favour of Trackers.

[CovenantElite30]

4 Tireless Tracker
4 Krosan Grip
3 Sphere of Resistance
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Pithing Needle
1 Primeval Titan

What did I cut? I cut cards like the 4th Crop Rotation and 4th Dark Depths to fit in Karakas and Bog in my starting 60. Hell, I even have a Ghost Quarter and Worm Harvest in the starting 60.

Do you miss not having access to boil and boseiju in your sideboard?

[Crimhead]

Do you miss not having access to boil and boseiju in your sideboard?

I'm thinking of a similar board:
-1 PrimeTime
-1 Chalice
-1 Tracker

+1 Bosieju
+2 Boil (thinking of trying Flashfires)

And maybe additionally:
-1 Tracker
+1 Needle

Really excited to try the Trackers though!
I never ran a Thalia or a Bob because hate bears just aren't my style. This guy's a beater I could get behind though.

[kravkenov]

I haven't played TT yet, how does it work well with Riftstone?
Also Tabernacle will tap to pay for TT?

Yes, with a riftstone in your graveyard, Tabernacle will produce mana to pay for Tracker. It is also true with a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in play.

[Crimhead]

Yes, with a riftstone in your graveyard, Tabernacle will produce mana to pay for Tracker. It is also true with a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in play.

Sorry if I was unclear. I'm not questioning how the mechanics work - I'm just wondering what makes Riftstone & Tracker particularly good together.

Tracker demands mana out of us because of clues and Tabernacle costs.

Also maybe it blocks sometimes making our Mazes less useful and Riftstone offsets that? To put it another way, Riftstone is great for Tabernacle and Chasm, but not as food with Mazes because they have another tap ability and they can't tap for both. If Tracker means using Maze less often defensively, maybe Tracker enhances the Riftstone + Maze dynamic.

This all seems great, I'm just wondering if I am missing some other kind of interaction.

[barfly]

Do you miss not having access to boil and boseiju in your sideboard?

No. Boil and boseiju are just not where I want to be against miracles. Attacking the mana just isn't a good game plan unless somehow they didn't entreat or cast Jace.

I want proactive cards like chalice, sphere and tracker.

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[kravkenov]

Sorry if I was unclear. I'm not questioning how the mechanics work - I'm just wondering what makes Riftstone & Tracker particularly good together.

Riftstone give all your lands "Tap: add G or W". This is really useful when you want crack some clue because with all the non-mana lands in the deck (Mazes, Depths, Tabernacle, Chasm and fetch in a lesser purpose), having a mana-enabler is huge. Usually, you wont tape maze on your main phase, but rather in the end of turn of your opponent. Riftstone just enable more mana-producing -in color- and is maybe be a bit more stronger than Urborg.

[Djehuti]

Sorry if I was unclear. I'm not questioning how the mechanics work - I'm just wondering what makes Riftstone & Tracker particularly good together.

Tracker demands mana out of us because of clues and Tabernacle costs.

Also maybe it blocks sometimes making our Mazes less useful and Riftstone offsets that? To put it another way, Riftstone is great for Tabernacle and Chasm, but not as food with Mazes because they have another tap ability and they can't tap for both. If Tracker means using Maze less often defensively, maybe Tracker enhances the Riftstone + Maze dynamic.

This all seems great, I'm just wondering if I am missing some other kind of interaction.

Makes worm harvest much easier to cast which barcode is running 1 of.

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[heckler]

for boseiju/boil:

When it works, it does the job very well. The problem I find is that it takes many pieces coming together in the right sequence to make it pay off. It is far more likely I get a fast hand and just roll over the opponent with recurring marit lage.

I've only had one game against miracles where a tracker was answered with a swords that left marit lage to attack a couple turns later, and have never had it close out a miracles game by itself. One has let me draw an extra 3 cards that let me see deeper into my deck but the clock ran out.

But, even if tracker isn't a silver bullet, it's a single card that you can get use out of without having to set up a complicated order of operations. It also has game against other matchups, making it worthy of the sideboard slots. I currently run 3 in the board (would run 4 but it still dies to swords, decay and bolt early enough to make it not stick most of the time).

[Chatto]

for boseiju/boil:

When it works, it does the job very well. The problem I find is that it takes many pieces coming together in the right sequence to make it pay off. It is far more likely I get a fast hand and just roll over the opponent with recurring marit lage. (...)

What do you mean with "it takes many pieces coming together in the right sequence"? Either you cast Boil with or without Boseiju, or do I miss something. I do agree that a fast and recurring Marit Lage will almost always be preferable over casting a Boil.

[barcode]

What do you mean with "it takes many pieces coming together in the right sequence"? Either you cast Boil with or without Boseiju, or do I miss something. I do agree that a fast and recurring Marit Lage will almost always be preferable over casting a Boil.

Boseiju is a one-of. You can try and Crop Rotation for it but if it's forced you probably lose. If they have a counterbalance and you try and rotate for Boseiju you probably lose.

Miracles threat point is two mana, four mana and then N mana.

Casting Boil on turn 4 is probably good enough unless they have access to more lands (Plains, fetches) and a top - hands which they're encouraged to keep.

Then there are the draws where you can cast Boil on turn 4 before Jace has come down or an Entreat was cast and they can just draw out of it because there's no way to capitalize on the double sinkhole.

[CovenantElite30]

I would cut the Prime for a Riftstone if you're running four Tracker. The two are just a wonderful pair.

Dice wanted to give you props on the great legacy podcast you are a part of.
https://thesaltminesite.com/2016/07/...om-the-source/

Anyway we can get you to post your currently pimped lands deck I heard you were putting together?

Could you guys do a full in-depth deck tech of your lands version on a episode?

Thanks man keep up the great work!

[Crimhead]

Just finished listing to the Legacy's Allure podcast (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...with-Jarvis-Yu), where Jarvis Yu says he tends to muligan for acceleration (Mox, Exploration, or Manabond). I've always looked for a Loam first and foremost, particularly G1 when I'm not sure what deck I'm facing.

Do you guys look first for a Loam too, or is that a habit I've picked up from running mostly RUG Lands? I usually toss a hand with acceleration unless it has Loam, a Gamble, Punishing Grove or a fast combo (or sometimes I like acceleration plus a Port). What do you guys do?

[barcode]

Just finished listing to the Legacy's Allure podcast (http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...with-Jarvis-Yu), where Jarvis Yu says he tends to muligan for acceleration (Mox, Exploration, or Manabond). I've always looked for a Loam first and foremost, particularly G1 when I'm not sure what deck I'm facing.

Do you guys look first for a Loam too, or is that a habit I've picked up from running mostly RUG Lands? I usually toss a hand with acceleration unless it has Loam, a Gamble, Punishing Grove or a fast combo (or sometimes I like acceleration plus a Port). What do you guys do?

Not a "guy" but...

I want acceleration (Mox or Exploration) and a payoff spell, Gamble or Life from the Loam. I'll settle for acceleration and a quick Marit Lage (turn 3 to be attacking on turn 4). Without the payoff the hand better be ridiculous, like Punishing Fire, Grove, Red source and another source in the Death & Taxes matchup.

[cin]

Hi All,

Just want to share my Tournament result in a Major Legacy tournament in our local shop.

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=13093&f=LE

I got 3rd from a 36-Man Legacy Tournament. (6 Rounds with Top 8)

35 LANDS
1 Bayou
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Dark Depths
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Chasm
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
3 Maze of Ith
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Rishadan Port
2 Taiga
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Thespian's Stage
1 Tranquil Thicket
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills

17 INSTANTS and SORC.
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Crop Rotation
4 Gamble
4 Life from the Loam
3 Punishing Fire

8 OTHER SPELLS
4 Exploration
4 Mox Diamond

SIDEBOARD
1 Chalice of the Void
2 Choke
1 Dark Depths
4 Krosan Grip
3 Sphere of Resistance
4 Thoughtseize


1st Round: JUNK (1-1) DRAW
1st Game: I was able to pull off the martilage combo earlier.
2nd Game: He aggroed the hell out of me
3rd Game: This game took longer than expected (he extirpated my Dark Depths in this game) which took longer execution of win condition that caused a time out.
BOARDING:
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

2nd Round: JUNK (2-0) WIN
1st Game: Combo out finish with the help of Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, and Ports that slowed his game phase.
2nd Game: Took longer than expected because I proceed with caution (thinking that black decks always have an sb of Surgical or Extirpate) Again, I won using Depths Stage Combo.
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

3rd Round: Slivers (2-0) WIN
1st Game: Controlled the game by Loam, Wasteland, Ports, Maze and Tabernacle. with Depths Stage finish
2nd Game: Controlled again the game with the help of Rishadan Port, Wasteland, Loam, and again the Tabernacle. with Depths Stage finish.
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

4th Round: BGX (2-1) WIN
1st Game: Depths Stage Combo
2nd Game: Goyf with other creatures killed me.
3rd Game: Depths Stage Combo (I Crop Rotationed my land for a Dark Depths in response to his fetch because I know he's going to extirpate my Depths on my GY which he actually did.) then during his end of turn, I activated my Depths Stage combo finish.
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

5th Round: UB Omnitell (2-1) - WIN
1st Game: I won by the use of Rishadan Ports and a combo finish again.
2nd Game: He won by having a fast combo finish.
3rd Game: I won by controlling his colored lands by the use of my 4 Rishadan Ports (2 T.Stage) Then combo him out when the time was right.
OUT: 3 Maze of Ith, 3 Punishing Fire, 3 Abrupt Decay, Glacial Chasm, Wasteland, GQ, Tabernacle, Bojuka Bog
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths, 3 Sphere of Resistance, 1 Chalice of the Void, 2 Choke, 4 Thoughtseize

6th Round: Aggro Loam (0:2) - LOSE
I intended to let my teammate win the match. (since were on the top 8 both)

Ended the SWISS with a (4-1-1) Standing

AFTER SWISS
TOP 8
Eldrazi Aggro (2-0) - WIN
1st Game: Loam Wasteland took the control on the game, which lead to my Depths Stage Combo Finish.
2nd Game: Started the game with a Leyline of the Void from my opponent, But this did not matter since I have the combo lands on my hand, I did some safe play before executing the combo.
Boarding:
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket
IN: 2 Krosan Grip, Dark Depths

TOP 4
Dark Maverick (1-2) - LOSE
1st Game: Depths Stage Combo again
2nd Game: Lost due to safeplay, I didn't ran the combo asap that cause my depths to be copied by his own Stage after he Crop Rotationed his land on my end of turn.
3rd Game: I was overwhelmed with DRS, Confidant and a KOTR which lead to my Loss.
OUT: Thicket, GQ, Karakas, Urborg
IN: Chalice of the Void, Dark Depths, 2 Krosan Grip

[lichking61601]

Hi All,

Just want to share my Tournament result in a Major Legacy tournament in our local shop.

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=13093&f=LE

I got 3rd from a 36-Man Legacy Tournament. (6 Rounds with Top 8)

35 LANDS
1 Bayou
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Dark Depths
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Chasm
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
3 Maze of Ith
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Rishadan Port
2 Taiga
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Thespian's Stage
1 Tranquil Thicket
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills

17 INSTANTS and SORC.
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Crop Rotation
4 Gamble
4 Life from the Loam
3 Punishing Fire

8 OTHER SPELLS
4 Exploration
4 Mox Diamond

SIDEBOARD
1 Chalice of the Void
2 Choke
1 Dark Depths
4 Krosan Grip
3 Sphere of Resistance
4 Thoughtseize


1st Round: JUNK (1-1) DRAW
1st Game: I was able to pull off the martilage combo earlier.
2nd Game: He aggroed the hell out of me
3rd Game: This game took longer than expected (he extirpated my Dark Depths in this game) which took longer execution of win condition that caused a time out.
BOARDING:
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

2nd Round: JUNK (2-0) WIN
1st Game: Combo out finish with the help of Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, and Ports that slowed his game phase.
2nd Game: Took longer than expected because I proceed with caution (thinking that black decks always have an sb of Surgical or Extirpate) Again, I won using Depths Stage Combo.
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

3rd Round: Slivers (2-0) WIN
1st Game: Controlled the game by Loam, Wasteland, Ports, Maze and Tabernacle. with Depths Stage finish
2nd Game: Controlled again the game with the help of Rishadan Port, Wasteland, Loam, and again the Tabernacle. with Depths Stage finish.
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

4th Round: BGX (2-1) WIN
1st Game: Depths Stage Combo
2nd Game: Goyf with other creatures killed me.
3rd Game: Depths Stage Combo (I Crop Rotationed my land for a Dark Depths in response to his fetch because I know he's going to extirpate my Depths on my GY which he actually did.) then during his end of turn, I activated my Depths Stage combo finish.
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket, GQ
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths

5th Round: UB Omnitell (2-1) - WIN
1st Game: I won by the use of Rishadan Ports and a combo finish again.
2nd Game: He won by having a fast combo finish.
3rd Game: I won by controlling his colored lands by the use of my 4 Rishadan Ports (2 T.Stage) Then combo him out when the time was right.
OUT: 3 Maze of Ith, 3 Punishing Fire, 3 Abrupt Decay, Glacial Chasm, Wasteland, GQ, Tabernacle, Bojuka Bog
IN: 3 Krosan Grip, 1 Dark Depths, 3 Sphere of Resistance, 1 Chalice of the Void, 2 Choke, 4 Thoughtseize

6th Round: (0:2) - LOSE
I intended to let my teammate win the match. (since were on the top 8 both)

Ended the SWISS with a (4-1-1) Standing

AFTER SWISS
TOP 8
Eldrazi Aggro
1st Game: Loam Wasteland took the control on the game, which lead to my Depths Stage Combo Finish.
2nd Game: Started the game with a Leyline of the Void from my opponent, But this did not matter since I have the combo lands on my hand, I did some safe play before executing the combo.
Boarding:
OUT: Bojuka Bog, Karakas, Thicket
IN: 2 Krosan Grip, Dark Depths

TOP 4
Dark Maverick
1st Game: Depths Stage Combo again
2nd Game: Lost due to safeplay, I didn't ran the combo asap that cause my depths to be copied by his own Stage after he Crop Rotationed his land on my end of turn.
3rd Game: I was overwhelmed with DRS, Confidant and a KOTR which lead to my Loss.
OUT: Thicket, GQ, Karakas, Urborg
IN: Chalice of the Void, Dark Depths, 2 Krosan Grip

brod, first of all congrats. im joining our local tourney soon . i thought you lost to ANT. is splashing black for abrupt decays worth it?


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