The new recruiter is pretty nuts. I was brainstorming a bit with a friend of mine, here's sort of what I had in mind for a build with it:
Lands: 23
7x Plains
4x Karakas
4x Wasteland
3x Rishadan Port
3x Flagstones of Trokair
2x *Flex slot. I swear there was a card I was going to put here but I can't remember the name of it. Probably gonna end up being Horizon Canopy or Geier Reach Sanitarium.*
Spells: 11 (Nothing special here.)
4x Aether Vial
4x Swords to Plowshares
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitter
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
Creatures: 32
4x Mother of Runes
3x Serra Avenger
4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Phyrexian Revoker
4x Flickerwisp
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4x Recruiter of the Guard
1x Stonecloaker
1x Vryn Wingmare
1x Banisher Priest
1x Mangara of Corondor
1x Aven Mindcensor
(It needs 5-6 creatures removed, but I have no idea what to cut out.)
Sideboard:
3x Rest in Peace
2x Cataclysm
2x Mirran Crusader
2x Wilt-Leaf Liege
2x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Spirit of the Labyrinth
1x Leonin Relic-Warder
1x Manriki-Gusari (Because without fail, I play one mirror-match every tournament I go to.)
It's a very rough idea, and probably falls into the trap of "too much cool stuff" but I think having 3-5 one-offs like that tutorable with recruiter is very much a workable concept. Other stuff that should probably be there, but I couldn't decide what to cut includes Aegis of the Gods and/or Auriok Champion / Kor Firewalker.
No, no. Mirran Crusader is definitely needed. That card can be the beef tutor.Originally Posted by Barook
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"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
Honestly, iatee, I don't think you have seen what THC can do yet. You have poo poo'd it from the start. That chick is win city.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
So THC is one hell of a drug?
I've played it a decent amount, and whenever I do, I do a mental check of 'Is this card currently better than a Mirran Crusader would be?'. It's been about 50%. Off the top of my head, I've lost a game vs Delver because Crusader + Jitte woulda done it but Thalia + Jitte wasn't fast enough, I lost a game vs Aggro Loam yesterday where she was Dismembered, I lost a game vs Maverick where she couldn't attack past a KotR. I've also won rough about as many games off her effect being strong. I don't think it's unplayable, and it got a little better off being tutorable (though it won't be an effect you want to tutor for *that* often), but I still think that DnT isn't actually built to abuse her the same way that White Eldrazi or Maverick can.
My list as of today:
Creatures (26)
4 Mother of Runes
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Serra Avenger
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Flickerwisp
1 Mangara of Corondor
2 Mirran Crusader
1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Spells (11)
4 Aether Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
Lands (23)
1 Cavern of Souls
3 Karakas
1 Mishra's Factory
10 Plains
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
Sideboard (15)
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Path to Exile
1 Pithing Needle
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Rest in Peace
1 Seal of Cleansing
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
2 Council's Judgment
1 Sword of War and Peace
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
With Recruiter, there are many different directions to take D&T. We could cut Serra Avenger's as she isn't tutorable via Recruiter, but it's not as if we're unhappy to play with her. I actually tend to board out Avenger less often than I board out Thalia or even Mom. Because of this, I don't think it's right to completely cut Serra Avenger from the deck. She still holds equipment well, is good on offense and defense, and comes off a Vial on two. We don't want to go too low on two drops otherwise we're just too slow versus Delver, Burn, Eldrazi, and rogue decks like Zoo.
Cutting a Mother could be blasphemous, but Enevoldsen top 8'd a GP with only three so it could be fine. She is a pretty bad topdeck after turn 3 or so anyway especially versus Miracles, which is when Recruiter comes down. We could also just become more of a toolbox deck in general by playing 3 Recruiter, 3 Mom, 3 Revoker, 3 Flickerwisp, 3 Stoneforge, etc.
It might be correct to have 1-2 Veteran Armorer or +X/+1 effects (even something like Adaptive Automaton if we make D&T more human centric) in the SB for the near future. People are going to be reacting to this and for good reason - D&T got a lot better with Recruiter of the Guard.
Creatures (26)
3 Mother of Runes
4 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Serra Avenger
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Flickerwisp
1 Mangara of Corondor
1 Mirran Crusader
2 Recruiter of the Guard
1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Spells (11)
4 Aether Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
Lands (23)
2 Cavern of Souls
3 Karakas
10 Plains
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
Sideboard (15)
2 Path to Exile
1 Pithing Needle
2 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Rest in Peace
1 Leonin Relic-Warder
1 Stonecloaker
2 Council's Judgment
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Hokori, Dust Drinker
Here's where I am at:
Lands 23
4 Wasteland
4 Rishadan Port
3 Karakas
2 Cavern of Souls
10 Plains
Creatures 26
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Recruiter of the Guard
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Flickerwisp
1 Stonecloaker
1 Spirit of the Labyrinth
1 Mirran Crusader
Spells 11
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Aether Vial
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
Sideboard
2 Path to Exile
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Council's Judgment
2 Rest In Peace
1 Manriki-Gusari
1 Containment Priest
1 Pithing Needle
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Faerie Macabre
I suppose I could fit Mangara of Corondor in there somewhere. Do we need the third Phyrexian Revoker? Maybe SotL in the side and Mangara main? 2 path + Manriki because DnT will be everywhere.
I like your list. Looks well-rounded, although Banishing Priest should probably be in there, too. 3 Recruiter might be a bit more balance. It does cost tempo without Vial. I guess Mangara could fill the spot of the third Revoker, depending on testing. Whether or not Spirit is MD material is debatable, although I can't deny the sexiness of Recruiter with double Vial @2/3 up for the blowouts.
No need to splash red anymore, huh?
DAE Recruiter of the Guard?
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In reference to the fact that this tutors x/1s which can be scary, it also tutors for armorer to avoid -1/-1 effects which could be relevant.
That's true. Good point. If this deck is going to be more popular, the hate is going to be more common. I really like the idea of Veteran Armorer in the side.
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
Not to highjack the Recruiter discussion, but is everyone giving up thinking about a White Eldrazi / Octo-Thalia thread? That was all the rage until this morning (and part of the reason I signed up this morning)
You're right. Everyone stop discussing this fantastic new card that is absolutely huge news for DNT. Rob's not here for that.
This card even improves the Wr lists, as it also fetches for Flickerwisp and Thalia, Heretic Cathar.
I think it also makes the Black splash a lot better, tutoring for Orzhov Pontiff, Tidehollow Sculler and Dark Confidant with an online vial can be crucial. IF the black splash is reasonable at all, it just got better.
But most importantly, it gives mono white a real edge on both SB slots and Mainboard material. For what it's worth I think this card makes Vryn Wingmare playable, among others I am surely not even thinking of atm.
#HypeBeReal
I'm not talking about more discussion here. There was talk of someone making a new thread, pretty much up until the minute Recruiter was unveiled on SCG. Go back about two pages.
Open a new thread in Developing for the deck.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
Okay, I got all of my thoughts together: http://www.thrabenuniversity.com/?p=474
Excellent post. I'm sad that Serra Avenger seems least likely to work with a Recruiter deck as she's a beast against my local metal, but the toolbox factor should more than make up for it.
Man this card basically makes the blue splash not worth it :( (due to the increased mirror presence)
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