[Primer] R/G Lands

[Crimhead]

Secret "Lands" tech against D&T (and totally compatible with Barbarian Ring).

[snorlaxcom]

Secret "Lands" tech against D&T (and totally compatible with Barbarian Ring).

What is this in reference too? Link no work ):

[supremePINEAPPLE]

It's just a link to the RUG thread.

RUG does seem like the place to be at first glance if DnT penetrates the meta significantly with prelates.

[snorlaxcom]

lol I get it

[Chatto]

Friend of mine came up with Firestorm. Our engine is 2, so it's reasonable to assume they'll start on 2 rather than 1. B-Ring seems a good chouce as well.

[barcode]

Friend of mine came up with Firestorm. Our engine is 2, so it's reasonable to assume they'll start on 2 rather than 1. B-Ring seems a good chouce as well.

That's a good choice. I favour Volcanic Fallout to act as a wrath to clean up tokens.

Other alternatives to deal with Death & Taxes:

Worm Harvest
Inferno Titan

[jarvisyu]

Kozilek's Return. Murders everything (and gets around Mother of Runes).

[Ingo]

Why would you guys run Kozilek's Return / Volcanic Fallout / Firestorm over a maindeck Molten Vortex, when dealing with Prelate? Although it's neat to sweep the board, we only need to deal with prelate, nothing more, and Vortex delivers by far the most powerful effect in synergy with the rest of our deck. Vortex could be Revoked, but I agree with Lord Mcdonald that it's unlikely they'd name it in the dark (besides, I'd still run Punishing Fires which still deal with Revoker anyway).

If D&T would become the deck to beat, Infect's meta gameshare would probably rise as well and in that scenario Flame Jab also seems a very good choice against both decks.

[Dice_Box]

I am in the "Wait and see what happens" camp.

[jarvisyu]

Why would you guys run Kozilek's Return / Volcanic Fallout / Firestorm over a maindeck Molten Vortex, when dealing with Prelate? Although it's neat to sweep the board, we only need to deal with prelate, nothing more, and Vortex delivers by far the most powerful effect in synergy with the rest of our deck. Vortex could be Revoked, but I agree with Lord Mcdonald that it's unlikely they'd name it in the dark (besides, I'd still run Punishing Fires which still deal with Revoker anyway).

If D&T would become the deck to beat, Infect's meta gameshare would probably rise as well and in that scenario Flame Jab also seems a very good choice against both decks.

I would only play K-Return sideboarded, not in my maindeck.

[Ingo]

I would only play K-Return sideboarded, not in my maindeck.

You'd play it in the board as it's not synergetic with the maindeck. So why not play Vortex , a card that (almost) equally would solve your problem, but is playable in the main? You'd free up a sideboardslot as well.

[Ciubulu]

I'm testing a 3 pfires/2 molten vortex split md and it works wonders for me.


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[Whitefaces]

The problem with relying on Vortex is if it gets Revokered and a Prelate is on 2 you're pretty screwed. With Recruiter in the mix this isn't that unlikely, so having something that can clear this problem away for a different CMC is worth looking at.

[Ciubulu]

The problem with relying on Vortex is if it gets Revokered and a Prelate is on 2 you're pretty screwed. With Recruiter in the mix this isn't that unlikely, so having something that can clear this problem away for a different CMC is worth looking at.

That's the same that happens with chalice on 2 against eldrazi or mud...We can make the token regardless or eventually lose.
I tested d&t both sides and I can say it's a sequence that's not easy to make and With prelate (and recruiter) the deck is significantly slower. There's a lot of options for g2/G3 but Imho vortex is the only card that's worth including md. it don't mess up too much with our original plan, it's a very good draw in many matches and it's very hard to deal with once resolved.


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[Ingo]

The problem with relying on Vortex is if it gets Revokered and a Prelate is on 2 you're pretty screwed. With Recruiter in the mix this isn't that unlikely, so having something that can clear this problem away for a different CMC is worth looking at.

Basically, I think the availability of a game1 gamblable Vortex outweighs it's relative vulnerability to Revoker (as you'll still have Punishing Fire), in comparison to relying on (stronger but narrower) sideboard cards fixing game 2 and 3.
(Edit: simultaniously posted with Ciubulu)

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

Also, looking at the preliminary lists for D&T, they've been cutting some number of revokers as well. They could still tutor it up with recruiter but that's fairly slow.

I don't think barbarian ring is a bad option, you have effectively 5 copies maindeck, can't be revokered and gets through mom. It's nothing for this deck to get threshold by the time prelate comes down.

[Crimhead]

I've been running a 3/2 PF/MV split since before the D&T spoilers, and It's been great.

If D&T becomes a problem then we can consider more drastic main deck or sideboard options. For nor, if you're worried about
Prelate, running a couple Molten Vorticies is a solid hedge with a minimal a deck building cost. Ditto for Barbarian Ring. But I wouldn't do anything crazy.

[Sengir]

Just took out a small tournament for a bye at EE5 with lands :D Might put up a brief report if anyone is interested.

DNT with the new prelate will be interesting for sure, but vortex/barbarian ring should be enough unless the deck really become prevalent. I worry more about DNT splashing red for recruiter and magus of the moon among other things.

[chaosjace]

Just took out a small tournament for a bye at EE5 with lands :D Might put up a brief report if anyone is interested.

DNT with the new prelate will be interesting for sure, but vortex/barbarian ring should be enough unless the deck really become prevalent. I worry more about DNT splashing red for recruiter and magus of the moon among other things.

Always interested!

[Chatto]

I am in the "Wait and see what happens" camp.

Yeah, you're probably right. I just spoke to some guys who are on Imperial Taxes and DnT. They were excited to brew, but had no idea what would happen. Toolbox was the word most used. 'Wait and see' sounds like a plan.

EDIT: Sengir, don't ask, please just post. #thumbup #smileyface