Any particular reason for the Pridgemage instead of the Rec Sage? I've always figured that the Rec Sage out of the board dodges Needle, etc.Originally Posted by NEELEY
5-0 list with 3x THC posted today.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/486528#paper
Also, the Rec Sage is better against Omni-Tell - that's one of my reasons to run the card!
Yeah I like Rec Sage for Show and Tell, and it is the same mana investment anyways. Rec is harder to Countertop than Pridemage too (I think).
Edit: also D&T, where Pridemage often gets Revoked.
Hey guys,
I am new to Legacy and decided to go with Maverick for my first deck after reading though some of this thread and watching videos! I already ordered a bunch of the cards, but am looking for a some opinions.
Here is what I ordered/plan to get in the next week or two:
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
3 Forest
2 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothils
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas
Sideboard
4 Duress
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Pithing Needle
The lands are probably my biggest issue currently. I will buy the Duals as soon as possible but I will be using the Wooded Foothills from my Modern deck for now. Obviously that will make Scrubland worse so maybe I shouldn't even bother picking it up right away? I will hold off on the Horizon Canopy but will be on the lookout for a deal on Gaea's Cradle since everyone says it is one of the best lands in the deck. What should I run for the time being? Just add a forest and plains as shown?
I think I will just use one of my Birds of Paradise for a while and pick up a Noble Hierarch down the road.
The stock sideboard looks to have 2x choke, 2x abrupt decay, plus a Gaddock Teeg and Garruk but I might just wait and see what I need based on the decks I see locally when I finally start playing. Guessing I should prioritize the Abrupt Decay though
I pulled the trigger and finally caved to buying Maverick on MTGO. I had been derping around with Dredge (Manaless + LED) just to ease back into things. I quickly realized I just wanted to be playing a deck I knew.
Maverick has changed a bunch since I was really into it, last time I played it seriously was back before Deathrite and Terminus when it was a solid GW no splash. Playing B is gonna take some getting used to but I think some of the sideboard cards alone make up for it, as well as Abrupt Decay being real good. I need to get used to DRS vs Noble for mana acceleration, but I like the extra reach and graveyard hare built into DRS.
I started out with a stock list I found a few posts back, and am going to make some minor changes and see how it plays. Might go back to the stock list everyone has been posting. The big question is Depths + Stage or Cradle... some people swear by it, others haven't been to fond of it and say just play Cradle instead. I'll have to play around with both builds to see what I like. I have also debated putting a Pithing Needle in the main. It's one of those cards I feel like can be relevant in any match up, might be ok to draw it later in a grindy game to eek out some small advantage, or good to have earlier to slow down or stop some combo before they bring in hate. Needle is kind of like Cabal Therapy to me, the more you know the format and how to read opponents the more powerful it becomes. I can't really think of any game 1 where it wouldn't be sometimes useful, but I don't know if I wanna dilute the main with more jank, after I already brought in Garruk and 1 AD. If I diud make the switch I'd probably swap Needle for the Garruk and move him to the SB.
List:
25 Dude Mans
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Scavenging Ooze
13 Spells
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
22 Lands (+ Arbor)
2 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Marsh Flats
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gaea's Cradle
Sideboard 15
2 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Choke
1 Sylvan Library
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Pithing Needle
Yea rec sage is probably better to be more versatile, I was just referring to my older list that I like a lot.
Nice finish! I feel like the list is deff far from a standard list, let me know how you continue to do with it, I think you may run into some consistency issues but I'm probably wrong. Decay has been something I have been thinking of moving main, I don't know if I want to play birds or just an extra bayou? Rec sage deff deserves a spot to be more versatile.
I suspect this was a budget replacement for Noble Heirarch.
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Played another league today.
Eldrazi: 1-2
Mirror: 0-2
Grixis Delver: 2-1
Miracles: 2-1
What I can only assume was RUG delver: 2-0
Here's the link to the stream, which for some reason cut out and came back in the middle of maverick match: https://www.twitch.tv/adelorenzi/v/93337739
Edit: Also, if anyone is wondering why I popped my pridemage vs miracles in g3, it was because he was tapped out and if he had put Terminus on top of his library he would have to lose his top to cast it. I wasn't expecting Moat, so maybe that was a mistake.
I'm guessing the same. To be clear, this was not MY list. I was simply reporting that the list was posted at 5-0.
This was fun. It's been SO LONG since seeing Maverick! And I don't think I've ever seen it streamed before since MTG on Twitch has only become a thing in the last couple years.
No THC due to disinterest, not enough time to test, card availability?
I liked your chat with the viewers. You seemed engaged and interested.
Sunnyveil used to stream some Mav, but he has been inactive for a little while.
I have 3 THC, I tried them out last time and was a little unerwhelmed. I can try again if there is interest though!
Thanks! I try to be engaged in chat since I don't really have a webcam or microphone.
I only have stock (Dark) Maverick now, but I could also buy into Punishing Dark, Naya Punishing, GWb Vial, or GW Vial/Zenith if anyone would like to see any of that.
Im currently on 2, but youve tested the deck much more than i have so youd know better than i. Depths combo has always been clutch in lands match, or delver. Cradle still better?
I'm gonna stream a little on my surprise day off. Trying a Sylvan Safekeeper over the 4th Mom cus Im nuts. twitch.tv/oSeabass208. jtw11632 on MTGO.
Ended up going 1-2. Beat some Combo deck, lost to Lands twice. I just hate playing against Lands, I never have fun. I feel like we can win that matchup and it's probably 60/40 in their favor, but I just feel like that deck is my kryptonite. The list I was running towards the end was:
3 Mom, 1 Sylvan Safekeeper
4 Thalia, 4 Knight, 4 DRS, 1 Noble
2 Qasali PM, 1 Teeg Father, 1 Scooze, 1 Scryb Ranger, 2 SFM
1 Dryad Arbor, 1 Cradle, 1 Canopy, 1 Karakas, 2 Savannah, 1 Scrubland, 1 Bayou, 2 Forest, 1 Plains, 1 Marsh Flats, 4 Heath, 3 Catacombs, 4 Wasteland
1 ADecay, 4 GSZ, 1 Pithing Needle, 1 Sword F/I, 1 Sword L/S, 1 Jitte, 4 StP
SB:
2 Canonist, 2 TSeize, 1 Surgical Extraction, 1 Library, 1 Choke, 1 Rec Sage, 1 Garruk, 2 ZP, 2 ADecay, 1 TeegSon, and another Pithing Needle.
Needle main is "cute" and helps a little, but I don't know if it's better in the flex spot then another Pridemage, some discard spell, maybe another SFM, Garruk maindeck, Sylvan Library. I feel like in every match game 1 there is something to name with Needle.
Lands: turns off their Wastelands, Ghost Quarter, Thespian Stage, etc.
Miracles: Top
Any deck with Planeswalkers, Liliana seems like a good canidate.
Elves has a few you can handle.
Sneak and Show has Sneak.
etc.
Lands run wasteland, maze of ith and tabernacle. It seems better in my playing experience to use a cradle so you can have a normal turn through tabernacle and wasteland is the best utility land against them. Against delver, you win games with a big cradle turn with equipment or protecting a scryb ranger.
Went 2-1 at FNM last night, my first time playing Maverick.
Infect - 2-1 in games
Game 1: He turn 1 Elf, I turn 1 DRS. Chump the Elf his turn 2, and either turn 3 or 4 after I start developing my board he swings with Elf again, so I chump with my 0/1 DRS and he Invigorate/Berserks me to 9 poison. I get him close to lethal until he drops Blighted Agent, which I can't remove, and pings me for lethal poison next turn.
Game 2: He gets Inkmoth as a threat. After he swings for 1 I try to remove with Swords, but he casts Vines. Next turn I topdeck Wasteland and remove it anyways, and he doesn't have much for threats after that.
Game 3: He keeps pinging me for 1 or 2 poison each turn because I keep ripping pump spells out of his hand with Duress. I get a Knight on Board (the only one I left after sideboarding) and get him for a few life each turn with Scryb Ranger and Knight with Mom backup/protection. On my last turn I have a Thalia 1.0 on board and top deck a Wasteland. I consider wasting his Tropical to keep him from casting a pump next turn and realize I am one point away from lethal on board. I waste my own Scrubland and then swing more than lethal with Knight, Thalia, and Scryb Ranger.
RUG Delver - 2-1 in games.
Game 1: Turn 1 he isn't able to do too much, he scoops. Scavenging Ooze is great here.
Game 2: The game is pretty even until he drops Goyf, which I have trouble answering. The then bolts my creatures, drops a second Goyf, and I can do nothing.
Game 3: He gets flipped Delvers and ignores my board, so we get each other pretty low. I flash in Scryb Ranger to block one Delver, try to remove it (he submerges it to save it). I get a Knight on board with two Moms, give it pro-blue and swing for a bunch. Next turn he drops a Mongoose and holds back the single flipped Delver since I still had my Ranger. I give Knight pro-green and pro-blue, knowing I can untap a Mom with Ranger to answer a Bolt/Dismember, but he has no response so I swing for lethal.
Miracles - 0-2 in games. This matchup is ROUGH!
Game 1: Turn 2 THC, Turn 3 Knight. Terminus :( I can't develop much of a board after that and die to JTMS ultimate.
Game 2: I end up putting more pressure on but he miracles an Entreat, and I have to waste my removal on angels instead of the Mentor he eventually drops. I can't answer it and can't maintain a board thanks to JTMS. I now see why a second Gaddock Teeg would be useful in this matchup.
Overall I was underwhelmed with THC, echoing what others have said. I feel like I'd be better off going with 4 TGT and using the other two slots for something else (including second Sylvan Library?) instead of the 3/3 split. Sylvan Library was amazing when it stuck, especially with fetchlands; I now see why people love it so much.
For mana, I was glad I didn't run a basic swamp because it was something I never wanted to draw (especially in an opener), but only having two lands that tapped for black felt pretty bad when I had lots of sideboard cards with black. Maybe I'll pick up a second Bayou if I can afford one, it feels like it'd be better than a second Scrubland which is unfortunately the more affordable one. Cradle was also never bad, I'm glad I took the advice here and had picked one up.
Here's the list I ran (Gideon was supposed to be Garruk but the store couldn't find the ones they had in stock until late in the night, and I kind of wished Duress was Thoughtseize):
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catatombs
2 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
2 Forest
2 Plains
// Sideboard
1 Scavening Ooze
2 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Duress
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Pithing Needle
I only watched your first match against lands, but I do believe you could've sequenced your turns a bit better and fetched around wasteland. In your 2nd game, which i believe you won anyways, I definitely think you should've mulliganed as having your only green source being a dryad arbor in a hand heavily dependent on producing green mana seemed way too risky, and far too slow. Additionally I believe in game 1 (I think?) you probably shouldn't have attacked with your knight and instead hold up the ability to either wasteland or grow your knight to the point where you just can win on your turn. Just a few observations I had, I do believe the match-up isn't actually all that bad.
It's been quite a while since I've really "played" so my sequencing is going be shit for a while lol. I missed a bunch of interactions I would have used to know with Scryb ranger and knight and stuff. It's just getting back into a more complex deck with more lines versus the RUG Delver deck I kept in paper. More straight forward gameplay there. The matchup just seems really grindy, I'm sure playing more will make it feel better but since it attacks on such a different angle I'm just not used to it yet.
Also the version I ran in paper was simpler times when it was just GW no splash, so a lot less to worry about mana wise from opening hands and mulligan decisions.
Thanks for watching though. I had fun, def. wanna stream a league when I get some more tickets.
For sure! I'm always down to see some maverick streaming
+1
Really enjoyed watching the stream on playback (even with your music on in the background)
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