[Primer] Eldrazi Stompy

[RhoxWarMonk]

the ramp version is clearly the favorite against miracle

Why?

I'd actually recommend noloams build for a miracle heavy meta personally but Sower is quite good as well, I just don't see how it's clearly better.

I like the more chance at t1 chalice and t2 smashers against miracles, which will happen much more often with noloams build running spirit guides over anything else.

[caprino]

Why?

I'd actually recommend noloams build for a miracle heavy meta personally but Sower is quite good as well, I just don't see how it's clearly better.

I like the more chance at t1 chalice and t2 smashers against miracles, which will happen much more often with noloams build running spirit guides over anything else.

I with ramp versions I've never lost against miracle ... with eye ugin you win easy

[RhoxWarMonk]

I with ramp versions I've never lost against miracle ... with eye ugin you win easy

Right... but that doesn't explain why.

All versions run eye of ugin.... what makes miracles easy is fast draws, not a deck I want to go the long game against.

Give me examples of why it's better against this archetype.

[Poron]

Miracle stands no chance against a good Eldrazi list

add in the SB the new 5/3 vehicle so that every creature you draw after a Terminus gains haste..

seeing that matches go long you might need coercitive portal for card advantage

[Captain Hammer]

I with ramp versions I've never lost against miracle ... with eye ugin you win easy

Precisely.

Ramp versions like the one I play below absolutely wreck Miracles. Miracles can cope with a fast aggro swarm list like Noolams but a list like the below is inherently resilient to both counterbalance and to control strategies in general because it's designed to get progressively stronger and stronger in the mid/late game rather than fizzling after an initial onslaught like other builds can.

A quick update, the Oblivion Build has been doing phenomenal since I added 4 Leyline to the board.

Manabase
3 Eye of Ugin
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Cloudpost
3 Glimmerpost
3 Vesuva
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Core Cards
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Endless One
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Oblivion Sower
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

Flex Slots
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
2 Dismember
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Phyrexian Revoker

Sideboard
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Trinisphere
2 All is Dust
1 Duplicant

The past two weeks and over 100 matches, I've yet to face an unfavorable matchup for this list!

[RhoxWarMonk]

Miracle stands no chance against a good Eldrazi list

I agree but the question was which one is better against miracles?

add in the SB the new 5/3 vehicle so that every creature you draw after a Terminus gains haste..

But you need a creature to activate it? Unless your running 4 factories....

seeing that matches go long you might need coercitive portal for card advantage

[RhoxWarMonk]

Miracles can cope with a fast aggro swarm list like Noolams

That's simply just not true...

[Poron]

that's a great list.

Jitte and in case Spatial Contortion for Mentor and aaall the test of Miracle is useless against this list

Counterbalance is useless and Jace is just another target for any attacker.. just Moat saves the day, but I don't see one played since long.

[Poron]

But you need a creature to activate it? Unless your running 4 factories...

you draw any creature, crew it and attack for 5 the turn you cast it

[RhoxWarMonk]

you draw any creature, crew it and attack for 5 the turn you cast it

And then they terminus again to take out your vehicle and your new creature, all at the same time :(

In my experience you beat miracles by not letting them set up... they have an insane amount of terminus / stp / snap casters to take care of our threats. Chalice on 1 obviously helps immensely but that's not always a given.

Again I'm not arguing Eldrazi doesn't have a great matchup, it most certainly does. What I don't understand is how the Sower version is "clearly" better, when noloams list constantly wrecks miracles almost every given match.

[Adri]

Thanks all for your answers. Very helpful

I would distinguish ramp version from sower version (for me, ramp version are those playing artifact acceleration, and I am not fond of that). I could see how the sower version can be slightly better than the fast aggro version, but not by a huge margin. It is true that we can be stop by miracle after a first swing that is not lethal, that is my biggest issue with best miracle players so far. As for the vehicle, sounds like an idea to test.

[caprino]

I get along very well with rap version ugin karn ecc...

[Adri]

I get along very well with rap version ugin karn ecc...

I understand. It appears less consistent, and it is just not my style of play in Legacy

[Noloam_]

i have four 4-1 leagues in a row now :/

my leagues got screwed by elves 3 times. Which is odd

i am now running the Cars main B). 2 fleetwheel cruiser instead of 2 endbringer. -1 eye + 1 karakas main. -1 karakas side +1 endbringer

so far i like them. especially vs miracles

[Poron]

And then they terminus again to take out your vehicle and your new creature, all at the same time :(

In my experience you beat miracles by not letting them set up... they have an insane amount of terminus / stp / snap casters to take care of our threats. Chalice on 1 obviously helps immensely but that's not always a given.

Again I'm not arguing Eldrazi doesn't have a great matchup, it most certainly does. What I don't understand is how the Sower version is "clearly" better, when noloams list constantly wrecks miracles almost every given match.

this requires a second terminus thing that if you play well
will happen when you have again 5+ cards in hand.

[caprino]

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
2 Karakas
3 Vesuva
2 Crystal Vein
1 Eye of Ugin

2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
3 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
4 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 Karn Liberated
4 Thought-Knot Seer

4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
2 Basalt Monolith
4 Grim Monolith
2 Thran Dynamo
4 Voltaic Key

SB:
4 warping wail
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 leyline of the void
3 Wurmcoil Engine

today 4 1...win vs miracle 2/1 death and taxes 2/0 elf 2/1 reanimator 2/1
lose vs land 1/2

[pateuglow]

i have four 4-1 leagues in a row now :/

my leagues got screwed by elves 3 times. Which is odd

i am now running the Cars main B). 2 fleetwheel cruiser instead of 2 endbringer. -1 eye + 1 karakas main. -1 karakas side +1 endbringer

so far i like them. especially vs miracles

Do you get blown out with Terminus in this instance (I suppose we previously were getting blown out by Terminus anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter?)

I'll be streaming some sweet leagues running Eldrazi next week (hopefully), if you pop in let me know!

[Noloam_]

Do you get blown out with Terminus in this instance (I suppose we previously were getting blown out by Terminus anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter?)

I'll be streaming some sweet leagues running Eldrazi next week (hopefully), if you pop in let me know!

i dont see why you should get blown our more, then any other gameplan. if they jace, bounce you. all you want then is a haste dude.

if you place them on youtube i will watch

i only play eldrazi for the money. i dont think it is super fun, but it still is really Good. Too bad modo changed the price support :(. i got more than 1000 playpoint but i got only 28 tix XD




i also think im gonna give sower a chance (after i tested the car). Since i dont see a lot of sneaky show. Without sneaky show, sower seems great

[pateuglow]

i dont see why you should get blown our more, then any other gameplan. if they jace, bounce you. all you want then is a haste dude.

if you place them on youtube i will watch

i only play eldrazi for the money. i dont think it is super fun, but it still is really Good. Too bad modo changed the price support :(. i got more than 1000 playpoint but i got only 28 tix XD




i also think im gonna give sower a chance (after i tested the car). Since i dont see a lot of sneaky show. Without sneaky show, sower seems great

I have a lot of fun with the deck. I'll shoot you a link to the YT videos when I release them. Any advice is greatly appreciated

[Amunshax]

@Noloam how was the Car performing?