You swing knight, no blocks, sac the manabase before damage. There are obviously conditionals (ie; no blockers declared, etc).Originally Posted by oSeabass
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I can't see how the answer to this puzzle isn't equip Knight and attack. If he has removal + combo it doesn't matter what you do. Get your counters and attempt to kill the elf on your turn. It would take at least two cards from their hand to mitigate that. (you go to kill elf, they play a pump spell, you respond, then they either have to play another pump spell, stifle, or Crop Rotate for an Inkmoth, so you get two cards from their hand and then they still have to have double pump to win next turn.)
I like Zenith for arbor second main too to make them have Berserk/Wasteland/Daze.
Another League, another 3-2 finish after starting 3-1 and hoping to close out finally a 4-1, but ran into the wrong combo round 5. The list I'm running: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/489760
R1 ANT: 2-1. G1 (W) Thalia and pressure, he went for it and fizzled. G2 (L) I had a crazy board and pressure, he had a bounce for Teeg and then wins. G3 (W) Thalia into Knight and then Wasteland denial of mana.
R2 Infect: 1-2. G1 (W) don't remember much of this one and didn't take any notes. G2 (L) We had the board under control but a late game Blighted Agent and no answer led to him eventually grinding out the win. G3 (L) Double Invigorate + Berserk = gg. Couldn't have really done anything.
R3 ANT: 2-0 G1 (W) Same user as R1, so I knew he was on combo. Mull to 5 game 1 for a DRS, GSZ hand, leading to Teeg turn 2 into scoop. G2 (W) no real hate on my side but a lot of pressure. He went for the combo and fizzled.
R4 Infect: 2-1 G1 (W) Thalia is good again. G2 (L) He had the nuts with 2x Invigorate, etc. Nothing much I could do. I have to advance the board on turn 2, and it forces them to just have it. Them having counterspells makes it harder for us to just spin our wheels being protective too much. G3 (W) Took a beating early to go to I think 5 poison, was able to stabilize with Thalia into ZP to kill 3 of his dudes.
R5 Omnitell: 0-2 G1 (L) Could have won. Had a lot of pressure. In response to my Stoneforge ETB trigger I could have Pridemaged his Omni, I clicked too fast then realized it. Emrakul and Griselbrand had exact damage in 1 swing. I had an active Jitte that gained life to 22, Pridemage survived the Emmy trigger for lethal, but Grisel made lethal. G2 (L) He just had it. He had the Force for Thalia into Emmy.
Findings: ANT feels good post board with all the hate. If you can get a read quickly, Teeg is amazing. ANT being a little slower and Graveyard dependent makes it a little better for us then TES which can Burning Wish for answers G1. G2+3 feel like a coin flip of, do they have the turn 1/2 before I can get a hate card on T2.
Infect feels like a coin flip depending on the cards drawn. Library main helps this a bit to filter. I found that I kind of enjoy the Infect match when it isn't just over turn 2. Taking the game turns 5+ makes for a fun Legacy match.
Omnitell seems to be right in the sweet spot of combo that just destroys us. Discard to get our good stuff, combo to counter Thalia, Teeg doesn't do anything, Karakas is useless since they can just recast. This is (along with TES) a combo deck I feel we just don't have enough interaction to deal with the way they attack us.
I want to go back to the drawing board a bit. I still haven't cast 3 CMC Thalia and want her to be another Library or PROBABLY a Maze of Ith.
Cheers!
-Seabass
So. I should have been posting ages ago, but Thunder does enough for me haha. We have been going back and forth with ideas and taking list through some testing.
I top 8 and 16 to events recently with it.
http://www.mtgdecks.net/deck/eternal...elczyk/637667/
Went 3-0-2 and lost in top 8 to eldrazi.
I don't remember my match ups. I know I played Eldrazi, 12-post, and one other match up in rounds. I played the same 75 card eldrazi list in rounds and top 8. Two of my friends were playing the same deck. In top 8, he just got lucky and drew not 1, but 3 back to back Flametounge kavus and I drew like shit after my opening hand.
This was the same list I used for the last umm 2 years. I quit for a bit and came back to the game and made 0 changes to this list. Granted I do not remember with the 15 card slot in the board was off top of my head. I think it was 3 Zealous Persecutions tbh.
The week later I went to the large event at Squabbles for the lotus event and took top 16 going 5-2.
I lost to Miracles and a delver deck. Miracles well.. he had nuts draws enough said.
I remember most of the matchups.
2-0 Storm. I had no clue he was playing storm until I asked after matches. I had a T2 thalia every game and all I saw was draw cards and fetches.
2-1 RUG delver.
2-1 High Tide.
2-0 Delver
2-0 Same salty player that I killed with a 20/20.
This was my list for the Lotus event.
2 Noble Hierarch
3 Deathrite Shaman
3 Mother of Runes
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
2 Forest
1 Plains
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
SB
3 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Pithing Needle
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Sanctum Prelate
I honestly love the DD list, but I ran into a lot of problems with it and mostly bad luck. I mulled to 5 a good bit of my games due to have X land and DD in my opener. If only DD produced Colorless. I sided out DDs in some games just so I wouldn't draw it. I felt due to DD not producing mana that I had inconsistent draws and t1-3 plays. I love making 20/20s and just winning sometimes.
Thalia 2.0 was in all star if played on T2-3 and running 3 I drew her consistently. Not 100% sold on her as of yet. She is hit in miss. She takes up a 3 drop slot that could be used for another sword or something else. She is good don't get me wrong.
Prelate in the board. I felt it was underwhelming. If you don't have her down early it doesn't really do much. I had it down on t3 against my delver opponent and he almost scooped. I named 1 and his hand was nothing but 1 drops. I won 4 turns later. Not worth the spot to be honest. I switched her out to being choke.
My current list is almost card for card what thunderknight is playing.
I think we have 1 card different in the main and side.
We went through our sideboard plans and realized we side in Abrupt Decay in almost all matchups. Is there a reason why we started moving it to the board? I can see the need to want to play a sword and another critter.
For those playing Sword of Light and Shadow in the main. How is it performing for you? I been debating about playing it again in the main.
How do people like Garruk Relentless in the board? I am iffy on him. That and I seem to have missplaced my copy. Sad panda.
Anyway I will be going to EE this weekend and playing in Legacy and Vintage. Should be fun. More then happy to bounce ideas if anyone wants to chat. I am half tempted to go back to playing the list I top 16 with.
1. I think Abrupt Decay in the main is a concession a little to the fact I feel our G1 is not the greatest against some decks. I feel like we always have a stronger G2/3 due to hate bears in the board and being able to tweak the tools in the box. I've thought about bringing at least 1 AD in, but I like cutting down to 4 mana dorks and bringing in the 2nd. I like the 3 DRS/1 NH split, and if I had the tix on MODO woudl maybe even go a 3/2 if I had the space. I'll probably be dropping my 3 CMC Thalia for at least 1 flex.
2. Sword LS in main is nice as a tutor target against some decks game 1. Again our G1 is a little janky IMHO due to the toolbox being set for optimal balance. I normally end up siding out at least 1 Sword based on color the opponent is running, and sometimes both (combo, etc). It is nice to land in grindy games as it helps recur creatures and help get life for extra Library activation. I could see moving 1 of the swords to the board and bringing in the spare AD, just flipping them between MD/SB.
3. Garruk in the board is nice for grindy matches. I landed one against Miracles and it won the game on the spot for me. I had him main for a while but being a 4 drop main is a little eh for me. He will def. stay at least a 1 of in my board just on the fact he crushes miracles, being a 4 they only have so many counterbalance answers to him (Jace being the only thing I think they have).
4. I like the 3 Qasali main, but again feel like it's just shifting stuff between board and MD. Instead of the Rec Sage as a 3rd artifact/ench hate you get a lower costed Exalted beater game 1. Dunno if I have the space for a 3rd one main.
I keep feeling like I never use Cradle in games. If I am using it I am already ahead or have probably overextended in a poor way. If I have it against Lands, it's just a Wasteland recursion away from not helping fight Tabernacle.
The 20/20 plan sounds nice but takes up 2 land slots, as well as it adding another non mana producing land which I'm not to keen on. Has anyone done any testing with Cavern? I know our creature base is a little all over the place. When we played GW straight it was a little easier to name Human (Thalia, Knight, Mom, NH) or something like Wizard in a pinch (Aven Mindcensor, Qasali Pridemage). Don't know if the move to DRS makes Cavern viable anymore. Thoughts?
oSeaBass. That make sense when it is worded like that for Abrupt Decay. When playing it in the main, sometimes it felt clunky in my hand g1 when trying to do so many other things to finish the match.
Cavern of Souls. My only issue with Cavern it doesn't produce W or G so depending on what you draw it could be dead after you play X card. I do agree if we went to a GW build it is easier to jam them since its mostly humans at that base, and you can play 2-4 with out batting an eye. I had in some games not the correct mana to cast other spells. It is nice to play it and cast cards through miracles bs.
Garruk. I am probably going to play him in my board. I tried him in the main and didn't like him.
Pridemages. I use to play 3 all the time due to my local meta 2 years ago being filled with Miracles and other equipment based decks. I would always have them when I need them. Now I would run max 2 in the main and the Rec Sage in the board.
This is what I am thinking about running Sunday for EE. Or going with the list I posted above Minus DD. Debating on the Flex spot. Its between Thalia 1.0, thalia 2.0, Second library, random kick ass green critter(sigarda) , or something else. As much as I love sigarda, I always felt like it was a dead card in my hand some games. The Cavern may come out for another forest or maybe the bayou to another forest or a swamp. I like having 3 Black sources.
2 Bayou
1 Cavern of Souls
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Plains
1 Scrubland
2 Savannah
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
2 Noble Hierarch
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scrub Ranger
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
1 Flex
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Pithing Needle/Surgical Extraction
Can anyone share a sideboard guide, please?
Thanks in advance
I also like the idea of 3 black sources, especially for sideboard games where I need to cast ZP, TS, Deluge, or any number of black hate cards. Dunno if I want a 2nd Bayou, or a basic Swamp. Basic helps against Wasteland but Swamp doesn't sac to Knight. I think I'm leaning Basic just to help against potential Blood Moon decks too, without the basic we need a DRS to be able to cast stuff like AD.
Garruk main was eh, I like him better in the board.
3 pieces of artifact/ench hate total seems fine. I've been liking the split the others on here recommended: 2 Pridemage main, 1 Rec Sage board.
Cavern seems way better in GW, but sadly I don't think we can get away with it splashing Black with DRS :(
Sigarda is just super slow IMHO. Only being a 1 of means we normally have to GSZ for it which takes even longer. By then we are normally dead. I like the idea of Thrun in flex green beater spot, 4 toughness is nice and uncounterable seems very helpful just landing a resilient threat, hexproof is also nothing to take lightly. I think 4 mana is kinda the max for a dude in the deck. 5 gives us a lot of options but I don't think I reach 5-6 mana most games, and I would want my 5 drops to basically win on the spot.
I've been making a list of derp creatures that I remember running or having just to be meta calls. Some of these could see flex spots if the time is right. If anyone has anymore to add to this lemme know :) (bolded ones I might bring into rotation in my practice)
Thrun, Loxodon Smiter, Fauna Shaman, Vengevine, Thragtusk, Wilt Leaf Liege, Siege Rhino, Eternal Witness, Troll Ascetic, Voice of Resurgence, Master of the Wild Hunt, Courser of Kruphix, Obstinate Baloth, Grim Flayer?, Skylasher, Peacekeeper, Linvala, Tajuru Preserver, Captain Sisay, Sigarda, Elvish Visionary, Aven Mindcensor, Hero of Bladehold, Mirran Crusader.
Here is my sideboard guide. Note that there are many approaches to sideboarding with this deck, so I am not 100% confident in these.
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gaea's Cradle
Sideboard
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Pithing Needle
Miracles:
IN: 2 Abrupt Decay, 2 Choke, 1 Gaddock Teeg, 1 Garruk Relentless, 1 Reclamation Sage, 1 Pithing Needle
OUT: 4 Swords to Plowshares, 1 Deathrite Shaman, 1 Noble Hierarch, 1 Knight of the Reliquary, 1 Wasteland
Grixis:
IN: 1 Choke, 2 Abrupt Decay, 2 Zealous Persecution
OUT: 2 Sylvan Library (Too Slow), 1 Gaddock Teeg, 1 Qasali Pridemage
Eldrazi:
IN: 2 Abrupt Decay, 1 Reclamation Sage, 1 Pithing Needle
OUT: 2 Mother of Runes, 2 Sylvan Library (Too Slow)
Storm:
IN: 2 Ethersworn Canonist, 3 Thoughtseize, 1 Gaddock Teeg, 2 Zealous Persecution
OUT: 4 Swords to Plowshares, 2 Sylvan Library, 1 Stoneforge Mystic, 1 Knight of the Reliquary
Sneak Attack:
IN: 3 Thoughtseize, 2 Ethersworn Canonist (If see Omniscience, most I run into these days have it), 1 Gaddock Teeg, 1 Reclamation Sage, 1 Pithing Needle
OUT: 4 Swords to Plowshares, 1 Scavenging Ooze, 2 Sylvan Library, 1 Umezawa's Jitte
Death and Taxes:
IN: 2 Abrupt Decay, 2 Zealous Persecution, 1 Reclamation Sage, 1 Pithing Needle
OUT: 1 Gaddock Teeg, 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, 1 Sylvan Library
Shardless BUG:
IN: 2 Abrupt Decay, 1 Pithing Needle
OUT: 1 Gaddock Teeg, 1 Noble Hierarch, 1 Sylvan Library
Elves:
IN: 2 Ethersworn Canonist, 2 Zealous Persecution, 2 Abrupt Decay, 1 Pithing Needle, 1 Gaddock Teeg
OUT: 1 Deathrite Shaman, 2 Sylvan Library, 1 Sword of Light and Shadow, 1 Mother of Runes, 2 Qasali Pridemage, 1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Let me know if you have questions about other decks, these are the ones I usually face.
Thanks mate!
I have a doubt with the side against Sneak&Show, why you sideboard into Gaddock? They can still cast creature spells when they have omni on the table..
Only affects to hardcast sneak attack and FoWs?
Yes, you just answered it yourself. You don't want to stop Sneak Attack, about 50% of the enablers in the deck?
For Shardless, you'd rather have 2 Pridemage than 2 Library?
For Eldrazi, you'd rather have hierarch over 3rd Mother of Runes? Needle is better than a Library?
Teeg puts them on show and tell or bust. Which sometimes is fine for you because it allows you to put in something. Put in pridemage, blow up omni first moment you can. If they have show, omni, emrakul in hand them who cares, there's nothing you could've done and your opponent is a chimp who had it all.
Yeah, maybe 2 Library is better vs Shardless. I often cut the 2nd library in matches where it's a board standoff/damage race because 1 seems to work fine.
As for Eldrazi, I think we need all of the mana accelerators we can get to cast Knight turn 2. I cut library because I find that doing that early in the game puts me too far behind, and doing it late is either too little too late or I already stopped the assault and won anyway. I'd rather have needle to turn off Displacer/Endbringer/Jitte/Ratchet Bomb. It's possible Mother of Runes should go first though, I just like turning off Dismember sometimes.
Can we have a discussion of the inclusion of a Sword of Light and Shadow (or, really, a third equipment slot generally)? Jitte and Fire and Ice have been great for me, and I understand why they're standard inclusions, but I've found myself unsure or unwilling to fetch out a Light and Shadow.
For those running Light and Shadow, what match ups are you bringing it in for and do you find yourself bringing it in enough to merit a main board slot?
In its stead, I've considered playing a main board Decay and moving it to the side or dropping the third equipment slot totally, cutting a Stoneforge, and perhaps adding new Thalia. I run this stock list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-10-16-maverick/
I mainly fetch SoLaS vs Swords to Plowshares decks. It may as well read protection from Swords to Plowshares.
For me, it is really insurance for when I draw a 2nd Stoneforge or my other equips get destroyed. Equipments take over the game so fast in fair matches, I like to have 3 to increase chances of naturally drawing as well as tutoring in the right scenario.
Teeg + SoLaS is almost a hard lock against Miracles too, which is nice. Death and Taxes becomes a lot easier with this, without it you are cold to Phyrexian Revoker on Jitte.
This is the build I've been playing for a few weeks:
4 Mother of Runes
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Garruk Relentless/Horizon Canopy (if I can borrow a canopy)
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Karakas
1 Scrubland
1 Maze of Ith
2 Choke
2 Pithing Needle
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
1 Life from the Loam
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Krosan Grip
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Engineered Plague
1 Dismember
1 Zealous Persecution
Been pretty happy with it, so much so it's made it on the short list for GP Louisville. I like Thalia HC a lot. Last time I played a weekly I went 2-1 beating Deathblade + Aluren and losing a close one to Lands. Did some testing the other night against burn, reanimator, and food chain and it did surprisingly well in the combo matchups. I know I gotta get a Teeg in, but we don't have much Miracles or Storm out here so I gotta find someone to test against.
Light/Shadow: Anything white. Mirror, DnT, Miracles, etc.
There are also some backbreaking loops you can run with QPM, which further kicks the crap out of DnT.
The bigger question is whether Light/Shadow surpasses other 3rd options. That's meta-dependent. Feast/Famine and Batterskull are always strong options. Personally, I enjoy Light/Shadow and it's done me solid at large events.
I go back and forth on decay. I've done well with and without it. For the current meta, I like the effect but I don't like the mana instability. With so many wastelands running around, being held off black is kind of a big deal.
New Thalia is strong. But just like the DnT thread, I go back and forth on Thalia 2.0/Recruiter/Prelate fitting into our flex slots.
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