[Primer] BRx Griselbrand Reanimator

[Quentin Coldman]

Okay now things are more clear to me, thx.

Questions:

1. When u board in the Taiga, are u boarding out the basic Mountain?

2. Don't u think Decay is the better card than Bolt? For example Bolt vs Aggro Loam does nothing if he has the Chalice. With 2 green sources and 4 Petals it's definitly not a problem. Sure Bolt is easier to cast and can come Turn 1 but Decks like Grixis Delver (Shaman) or Blade (Containment Priest) can counter ur Bolt. Also it's nice to hit a Lili, random Cage or something with ur Decay. Never tested the Bolts and never really wanted it (just that 1 time I got kicked by a single Aven Mindcensor xD), if I compare Bolt to Decay in ur build, I'd go for Decay.

[.Ix]

So I've noticed that most of the placing lists have skipped the Children/Tendrils kill. Why is that?

[Rocco111]

Mainly because it is slightly overkill.

I went back to it some weeks ago and tbh, even though it did feel good to Tendrils my opponent T1, I felt that landing Griselbrand and drawing 7 or 14 is already enough to win the game.
Not playing the storm combo frees 2 slots which can be put to good/better use.

[CabalTherapy]

Okay now things are more clear to me, thx.

Questions:

1. When u board in the Taiga, are u boarding out the basic Mountain?

2. Don't u think Decay is the better card than Bolt? For example Bolt vs Aggro Loam does nothing if he has the Chalice. With 2 green sources and 4 Petals it's definitly not a problem. Sure Bolt is easier to cast and can come Turn 1 but Decks like Grixis Delver (Shaman) or Blade (Containment Priest) can counter ur Bolt. Also it's nice to hit a Lili, random Cage or something with ur Decay. Never tested the Bolts and never really wanted it (just that 1 time I got kicked by a single Aven Mindcensor xD), if I compare Bolt to Decay in ur build, I'd go for Decay.

1. No, I go up to 14 lands. I have been playing lot of decks with 12-15 lands (Dredge, TinFins, Reanimator, ANT, TES (not really, since it's bad)) and the difference between 13 and 14 can be decisive sometimes. I want to be able to make landdrops, at least two.

2. It depends on the situation. I'd bring in both to fight Delver.decs for example because then I have Bolt to take care of their clock/Shaman and Decay doing the same + it's able to remove Cage or whatever they want to play. Sure, Decay hits more targets and especially it deals with the more important ones as you mentioned. Since I played it for the first time on Tuesday I 've built a rather random SB and thought about Bolt being a great way to deal with annoying stuff. As an ANT player I sometimes wish to have Bolt in my hand to basically timewalk my opponent. I am not sure if Bolt is that great though but it looked good on paper and played out nicely; at least in this one tournament.

[Quentin Coldman]

1. No, I go up to 14 lands. I have been playing lot of decks with 12-15 lands (Dredge, TinFins, Reanimator, ANT, TES (not really, since it's bad)) and the difference between 13 and 14 can be decisive sometimes. I want to be able to make landdrops, at least two.

I kinda like this idea, I'll try it out next time to play the splashdual in the sideboard and add a basic Mountain to the main. Thx 4 your thoughts :)

[michaelslee54]

Hi guys, I'm new to legacy in general and have been following the thread. It seems more and more decks are running MD Chancellors and was wondering if I should incorporate them as well. I only have 2 at the moment and will soon be getting the full playset. Also I'm debating whether to try this out at SCG Baltimore in November vs. playing Infect (which seems more consistent?).

Here's the build I've been testing-

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/491574#paper

I'm most unsure of when to bring in the Tyrant. I like having a non-legendary MD option and am currently trying out 2 collective brutalities instead of the full 4 thoughtseizes and unmasks.

Any tips, tweaks, and experiences welcome!

[CabalTherapy]

I kinda like this idea, I'll try it out next time to play the splashdual in the sideboard and add a basic Mountain to the main. Thx 4 your thoughts :)

I hope it works for you as well. I approach things always from an ANT perspective where I want to still be able to play mtg after my opponent played their hate cards. A solid manabase, even in
this kind of deck, should be at least one of the keys to win such a game. But, keep in mind, I only played a couple of rounds with it against real opponents and goldfished at home.

[xix]

Been playing a mix of DNSolvers old list and the BOM list. Here's what I have been running, and it has been winning, but that doesn't mean im set on which is better.

-2 thoughtseize
-children - lost a game where this could have been a thing just entomb/reanimate gain the life to live even without tendrils its very useful.
-tendrils
+ 2 SSG - keep switching between full 4 and just 2. I feel like 2 is enough for MD, and going to full 4 when I side in moon/sneak attacks is where I want to be

chrome mox - unsure if I want this without the tendrils/children, Also lets me do something like pitch annex for a wear//tear if i was running one.
-- currently running 61 cards mainboard with chrome mox as #61, should trim maybe but it felt fine


Reanimate targets:
4 GB
4 Annex - never giving this up again, too useful
1 iona - too good to not keep in md
1 sire - feels correct to keep 1
1 endurance - could also be tidespout/inkwell

Land:
2 badlands
1 bayou
2 swamp
4 delta
4 mire

Sideboard
2 SSG
1 Faerie Macabre -I was only person on graveyard should have just cut this for the night
1 Tidespout
1 Inkwell Leviathan - with endurance in MD I have debated droping this.
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
2 Blood Moon - should be 3, but I only own 2
1 Blazing Archon
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Sneak Attack

Other thoughts were wear//tear if mox is still in deck. and grave titan over GB 4, mainly because of the extreme amount of surgical and DNT/eldrazi in the meta

On Blood Moon/Sneak Attack
Both felt good, don't know if you really need both yet.

Tonight:
0-2 Vs storm, game 1 on draw mull into ok hand, he has 2x cabal into duress, game 2 mull into 2xSSG, faithless,dark ritual, GB, reanimate, was super greedy kept scry showed faithless looting, did 2 faithless looting no land, turn 2 no land, he comboed off, we both laughed, he kept a no land lotus petal hand that was horrible that drew into greatness off a ponder shuffle.

2-1 vs eldrazi game 1 on draw mull to 5, turn 1 animate dead gb, turn 3 exhume annex through thorn of amethyst. game 2 he opened up turn 1 cage turn 2 chalice on 1, proceeded to drop containment priests and a thalia onto game 3, game 3, turn 1 looting, annex counters his first play, turn 2 gb, turn 3 blood moon he scoops.

0-2 vs shardless bug game 1 on draw (didnt win a roll all night) mull to 6, he turn 1 deathright shaman, turn 2 thoughtseize, i reanimate gb, he drops liliana i draw 14 that miss hard, setup with looting for next turn, he drops shardless into second deathrite shaman, i draw reanimate useless he just can eat in response. stick another Gb, he drops another liliana, game 2, mull to 6, turn 1 chrome mox lotus petal setting up for turn 2, he drops deathrite, turn 2 i stick GB, he drops another shaman, attack gain 6 draw 14, no other reanimation affects just creatures/land(not fetch) and faithless looting. I draw 7 more. I play blood moon (he responds by eating a faithless looting play bayou, Pass he deathrites to liliana bye bye gb. I cast another faithless looting nothing, he uses the lands that are in graveyard to shardless into baleful/goyf. (all my entomb/reanimation was playing lets hug at the bottom rng gods didn't have my back)

Still had fun, picked up sneak attack 2/3 right before the night so SB changed to what it is above, rng hated me, but on the fun games after rounds I went 5-1.


Edit: was for the round data etc

[R3ndr0c]

So I've played this deck a bunch and I think it's garbage. Inconsistent hands, and it loses to counterspells and Deathrite Shaman. It looks great when you get a turn 1 win, but that's not common enough.

[Rocco111]

LOL
Now that was some useful feedback.

[DNSolver]

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...?DeckID=108470

Congratulations to Francisco Rodriguez at giving them the business!

@R3ndr0c
This deck is not inconsistent. In fact, counterspell + turn 1 Deathrite out of an opponent's deck is probably less likely than a turn 1 from this deck. This deck is certainly miserable to play against. That doesn't mean it's not good. You have to remember that roughly half the format simply cannot consistently handle what this deck presents. Further, if you are finding hands "inconsistent," you are likely not mulliganing aggressively enough in the proper matchups.

[Kraus]

I've been wondering; Is there any real advantage to having 6 fetches and 4 Badlands vs 8 fetches and 2 Badlands?

[DNSolver]

As far as Legacy as a format goes, more duals are better against Stifle while giving you more things to fetch while being Wastelanded, while more fetches plays around Rishadan Port, Wasteland, and any other effect where you want to get your basics, such as Back to Basics or Blood Moon. Very few of these cards do anything against us in the first place, so there's not much of a difference besides price / availability. I prefer having more fetches so that I can get 2 basics against Delver decks. However, I can see a point with so many red cards in the deck where you start wanting a 3rd and 4th Badlands. I definitely would never play the basic mountain that I've been seeing in the turbo Chancellor / Insolent Neonate decklists.

[Quentin Coldman]

More Fetchies are also useful when u play a splash for Sideboard, I always used to play 7 Fetchies, 3 Badlands, 2 Swamp, 1 Splashdual and it felt pretty good.

[jwl3gg]

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...?DeckID=108470

Congratulations to Francisco Rodriguez at giving them the business!

@R3ndr0c
This deck is not inconsistent. In fact, counterspell + turn 1 Deathrite out of an opponent's deck is probably less likely than a turn 1 from this deck. This deck is certainly miserable to play against. That doesn't mean it's not good. You have to remember that roughly half the format simply cannot consistently handle what this deck presents. Further, if you are finding hands "inconsistent," you are likely not mulliganing aggressively enough in the proper matchups.

Awesome, I'm actually getting back into Legacy, previously played Merfolk and D&T, and chose his list. I probably need an archetype of endurance in my 75, tons of Karakas in my meta.

[Mizouille]

Hi ! I m the guy which made top 8 in BOM Paris with dindon deck.

Me and a friend discovered the deck just fews days before the event. After some creasy games against non blue decks, we choosen to play it for fun and the surprising consistence of kill t1 or 2 !!

Friday trial, we made good results with 4-2 for me and 5-1 for my friend. Loosing only on missplay... So at the end of the day, we were pretty impressed by the deck and confident for the next.
Saturday main event, 8-1 for me and 7-2 for my friend which just missed the top8. Lot of people didn t know the deck and how to optimize plays. A bad choice could be critical against this deck. I think it s mainly due to that we managed both a good result.
Sunday, I did an other trial with 4-1.

Friday, i played 2 firestorm instead of neonate. Never draw, so i chosen to play neonate for the main event (draw spell which could be usefull against liliana and dredge). Never draw again and i think it s pretty useless. Thoughtseize was so powerfull in each matchs i chosen to play 2 thoughtseize md for the sunday trial.
Since, i play tested a little the deck and i think play more collective brutality main deck because it s so usefull (kill deathrite & co, permit to discard a creature with calice 1 on the board, permit to discard a creature without take a counterspell).

I never test the unmask version. Looks pretty good although slowly. Discard is so impactfull ! But the deck has so much pressure on the hand because of faithless looting mainly and the agressive mulligans than I m not fan to play with an other spell wich make card disavantage. And remove a black spell sound like a very big constrain. After is not the same game plan... It could be good for me to spend time to test the unsmak version.

For the moment I play test a list closed to the BOM list. But Miracle and grixis are so difficult i don t think play the deck again.
I tested different sideboard options against miracle: Full sneak & show without reanimation spell, it was horrible ! I tested also with decay and i was very disapointed by it. They don t match very well with a fast reanimation plan. Certainly better in unmask version. For the moment I prefere keep a fast reanimation plan with 5-7 discards and 2-3 sneak attack post side but against a strong player and a good sideboard it s looks pretty weak.
Against grixis, brutality looks good. I don t side in blood moon in this match up because of deathrite but maybe it could be fine to have access to blood moon to blow up the oponent in a good spot.

I didn t test wear/tear, sounds good ! Specialy against eldrazi. I will test it.

Sorry for my english, it s not my... :)

tchussly

[splorf]

This is the list I'm testing atm.

//Lands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Marsh Flats
3 Badlands
1 Scrubland
2 Swamp
1 Dakmor Salvage

//Spells
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Faithless Looting
4 Reanimate
4 Thoughtseize
1 Cabal Therapy
4 Exhume
3 Animate Dead
3 Collective Brutality

//Creatures
4 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Griselbrand
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Sire of Insanity
1 Demon of Dark Schemes

//Sideboard
1 Ashen Rider
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Grave Titan
3 Master of the Feast
3 Pyroblast
4 Wear // Tear
2 Ghost Quarter

Some comments on the odd choices:

Dakmor Salvage: Although pretty slow sometimes I felt like it would be useful to have access to mana out of the yard by excess Entombs. Plus it even dredges some fatties. Not sold on it, but during testing it was neither bad nor good. At least it's another card I don't mind to discard.

Cabal Therapy: With 4 TS and 3 Collective Brutality it's sometimes possible to 2-for-1. Admittedly not very often, but theoretically. :) Still testing.

Demon of Dark Schemes: Hardcastable, non-legendary Elesh Norn light. During testing it was good against creature based decks like D&T. It's not very likely to abuse the 2nd ability, but at least it fits the theme. Not sold on it, but during testing it performed not bad.

Ghost Quarter: Mostly a budget choice, but sometimes it's a straight forward Strip Mine. There are not that many Basics around and the extra mana is useful when i had to take the hardcast route.
Master of the Feast: The oddest of them all. Haven't casted it a single time, but I'm pretty sure no one tested it so far, because it seems to be so bad. But I really want to know, if it's possible to steal games with it. Probably not, but I'm a believer. :D

What do you think? I'll let you know what testing provides. :)

[Mizouille]

hi, some comments about your choice :)

. dakmor salvage: could be fine to discard it with looting and after have acces to a land drop when you want. But horrible to play it t1 or 2 (and if destroyed by wasteland...).

. cabal therapy: not very good if it s the only discard spell in your hand (specially t1 on the play).

. Demon dark of shemes: Better than elesh against d&t but not against elves, infect, eldrazi, shardless...

. Master of the feat: very cheap ! But some time chancellor of the annex t1 or t2 is not enough, so with free draws for the opponent... not sure than Master alone would be enought. Obliterator sounds good for a slot like that.

. Ghost quarter: I don t see against what you want play it. Eldrazi maybe ? Wasteland is a very good card in agro/tempo deck when you have the board, not in combo deck where you don t want loose a land drop. If it s against karakas, no need. It s not a big issue with griselbrand and all non legendary creatures we have.

Your list looks like a hybride between dindon rea and unsmak rea. I m not sure that 14 lands without simian spirit guide will be enought. In dindon rea, simian is the last card I want cut. They are essential for kill t1 or t2 (which is the main reason to play the deck for me).

[Quentin Coldman]

I think the demon looks pretty nice (in the Sideboard), but in most cases Elesh is better. But I'd say give it a try.

Darkmore Salvage is unplayable. We want to be fast and tapped lands cost 1 Turn what could make the difference between winning and loosing. I'd play another Badlands or Fetchie. 14 Lands without Simian Spirit Guide is definitly playable, I also used to play it like this.

Cabal Therapy: Would cut it for a fourth Animate Dead. 4 Thoughtseize + 3 Brutality is enough.

Ghost Quarter: Definitly no need for it. Cut gives u another 2 slots 4 useful stuff. If u fear Karakas/Maze play Pithing Needle. Also handels Deathrite Shaman, Lili and stuff.

Master of the Feast: Like Mizouille said Phyrexian Obliterator is the better choice. Especially against Delver this guy's a beast.

[Kraus]

Your list looks like a hybride between dindon rea and unsmak rea.

Dindon, as in the French word for "turkey"?