thats really cool, I'd love for him to talk about it on here. This is really fun deck.Originally Posted by Minniehajj
I play legends miracles (Lossett's version) but I saw Miracles of Science and love the concept and its fun to play around with. I can put it together except I'm missing the show and tells.
As soon as he's safely back in Seattle and his liver has been cleansed, I'll point him this way!
As DTB has recently been updated, the meta has definitely been impacted by new cards. The dominant archetypes at this point in time are: Miracles, Lands (RG or hexmage), DnT, Eldrazi. I would put Shardless and Grixis YP at the borderline.
Anyway, Pithing Needle imho deserves another look at the SB slot.
Lands -> Stage/Port/Hexmage
DnT -> Vial/Port/emergency anti-equip
Eldrazi -> Eye of Ugin/Displacer
Shardless -> opposing Planeswalker and Tarpit
Of course, the argument against Needle would be: Chalice on 1, Prelate on 1. I argue that Needle is diverse enough and impactful enough, the added bonus against other MU like Inkmoth nexus, though no longer a trendy deck, can become handy.
Pithing Needle is always among the last 20 cards when I create a sideboard, but it usually gets cut in the end. When thinking of specific problems, there is just always a better card you would rather have.
Many opponents are fairly likely to board in Disenchant effects, which can make PN look pretty embarrassing.
There is also some tension with EE, which will very often be set to 1.
Has anyone besides Anzi put extensive time in against the newish BR reanimator decks? I was already considering switching RIP into Surgical based mostly on fear, and then he said today on my stream that he thinks Surgical is the way to go. Doing with that will doubtless cause several other cards to change, which is okay as long as it is worth doing.
I am running RIP helm miracles and I keep 2 surgicals SB :D
I played BRx Reanimator for awhile before its recent top placements and the deck has become even faster now with the inclusion of Spirit Guide and Collectice Brutality. Surgical is more than warranted imo as RIP just becomes way to slow. Surgical can even save you on the draw against their T1 Griseldaddy.
That being said Spell Snare in your case also shines here as it takes alot of their cards. It's way better than CS in the matchup.
As someone who has always played Rest in Peace but suddenly is considering switching to Surgical, where is RIP better? Obviously RIP is an option against Tarmgoyf / DRS decks. I'm certain its better against storm. And I imagine both have their merits vs lands and aggro loam.
Rest in Peace IMHO is very bad with Snapcaster Mage, and the recursion Surgical/Snapcaster is very powerful.
Now I'm trying this list:
2 Monastery Mentor
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Counterspell
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Council's Judgment
1 Entreat the Angels
4 Ponder
4 Terminus
4 Counterbalance
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Arid Mesa
2 Plains
3 Island
3 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
4 Misty Rainforest
Sideboard:
3 Flusterstorm
3 Vendilion Clique
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroblast
2 Wear // Tear
2 Containment Priest
1 Surgical Extraction
With this side guidelines:
Miracles:
+3 Flusterstorm -4 Swords to Plowshares
+3 Vendilion Clique -2 Plains
+3 ReB/Pyroblast -4 Terminus
+2 Wear//Tear -1 Entreat the Angels
Grixis Delver:
+1 Izzet Staticaster -2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
+3 ReB/Pyroblast -4 Force of Will
+2 Flusterstorm -1 Entreat the Angels
+1 Wear//Tear
BUG Shardless/Team America:
+3 Vendilion Clique -4 Force of Will
+3 ReB/Pyroblast -4 Counterbalance
+2 Wear//Tear
D&T:
+1 Izzet Staticaster -2 Counterspell
+1 Vendilion Clique -4 Counterbalance
+2 Containment Priest
+2 Wear//Tear
ANT:
+3 Flusterstorm -4 Swords to Plowshares
+3 Vendilion Clique -2 Plains
+3 ReB/Pyroblast -4 Terminus
+2 Wear//Tear -1 Entreat the Angels
+1 Surgical Extraction -1 Monastery Mentor
+1 Izzet Staticaster -1 Council's Judgment
Eldrazi:
+2 Wear//Tear -4 Counterbalance
+2 Vendilion Clique
Burn:
+3 Flusterstorm -1 Monastery Mentor
+2 Wear//Tear -1 Terminus
-2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor -1 Entreat the Angels
BGW Junk/Maverick:
+1 Izzet Staticaster -4 Force of Will
+3 Vendilion Clique -4 Counterbalance
+2 Containment Priest
+2 Wear//Tear
Sneak&Show/OmniTell:
+3 ReB/Pyroblast -2 Plains
+3 Vendilion Clique -4 Swords to Plowshares
+2 Containment Priest -4 Terminus
+2 Wear//Tear -2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Surgical Extraction -1 Entreat the Angels
+3 Flusterstorm -1 Engineered Explosives
Lands:
+3 Vendilion Clique -4 Counterbalance
+2 Wear//Tear -2 Monastery Mentor
+1 Surgical Extraction
Dredge:
+3 Flusterstorm -1 Council's Judgment
+2 Containment Priest -2 Plains
+1 Surgical Extraction -2 Monastery Mentor
+3 ReB/Pyroblast -4 Counterbalance
Infect:
+1 Izzet Staticaster -2 Plains
+2 Vendilion Clique -1 Council's Judgment
+3 Flusterstorm -1 Entreat the Angels
+2 Wear//Tear -2 Monastery Mentor
-2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
I've played vs it a decent amount of times; I think the matchups you want rest in peace, it's too slow and Surgical Extraction does the exact same thing, just quicker. Usually, the matchups where RiP is good is against stuff where our counterspells and lategame top+ balance is excellent, which means you want to get to that point.
Surgical actually does that, rest in peace doesn't.
Not extensive I suppose, but I've been hard-pressed to lose a match among the 10 or so I've played at my LGS (we have 3 different pilots, my list is very close to yours). If they have all the turn 1 action on the play after an Unmask or especially a Chancellor reveal, it's not the graveyard hate that will save you. Of course I wouldn't argue against Surgical in this matchup, but I have had no cause for panic.
Also, this is my current decklist:
I think this list is the best list I've played since I played no-wincon miracles, when that list was viable.
The sideboard ruinations can also, and should likely, be From the Ashes.
I'm not entirely sure it's better against Tarmogoyf/DRS decks. I don't like it against Decay decks if you have to cut Counterbalances for them.
rest in peace is bad against ANT. They often try to natural tendrils you, which means a 2 mana sorcery spell they might not even have to answer in order to win the game isn't where you want to be. Surgical, on the other hand, can actually stop them from winning if you manage to pressure them, so they have to mini tendrils you.
Hey guys, Turbo Depths player here looking for sideboard input for the upcoming GP.
Miracles is a pretty difficult matchup and I'm considering a few cards as a sideboard silver bullet. Our deck already has 8x 1CC discard spells (Tseize/duress), 4 pithing needles (Pithing Needle/Jace), 1 sylvan library (CA), 4 Surgicals/1 ghost quarter (on-demand shuffling), 3 not of this world (STP), 4 Sphere of Resistance (Everything), and 3 abrupt decays (CB), but the matchup still feels like an uphill battle. Would you recommend (1) 4th abrupt decay, (2) 2nd Sylvan Library, (3) 1 Krosan Grip or something else to help even the odds? Terminus just wrecks our shit.
2nd Library. We gain you 20 life so you can draw infinite cards.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
This makes little sense. If Storm natural tendrils you, both RiP and Surgical are useless. Actually, Surgical is worse if Storm natural tendrils because you helped the Storm player. The only key consideration should be: which card does a better job at cutting off PiF kill? RiP is like a hate-bear demands Decay since it cuts off that route completely. Surgical can be played around as long as Storm has multiple different Rituals and/or LED, I doubt you'll get the chance to target Infernal Tutor with Surgical.
If you pressure your Storm opponent and they mini-tendrils you such that you get to surgical out Tendrils, that's just a horrible storm player who has no business piloting that deck to begin with.
SCG Baltimore take away
1. AnziD Anuraak Das 2 Predicts
He gets my clap for his stubbornness. He finished top 32 in Eternal Weekend, and finish fairly decent at this SCG. He's Still~~~ trying to make Predict work, but he's the only person running 2. Fabiano had 1 Predict in his messed up Nahiri Miracles. That's about it, others have moved on. I mean, 20 lands 2 MD Entreat, that's very strange.
2. Braverman's 4 Mentors
He and the Brainstorm show crew are the devotee and the expert of this build, still doing his thing; like the 2-Predicts advocates, the rest of the pilots don't seem convinced.
EW NA: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13872&d=282001&f=LE (3 predicts, weird deckist)
EW EU: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13871&d=281991&f=LE (Nicklas Lallo, ItIsUnfair online, 2 predict)
EW EU: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13871&d=281989&f=LE (Anders Thiesen, 2 predict)
EW EU: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13871&d=281987&f=LE (Yohan Dudogan)
Eternal Extravaganza: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13842&f=LE (Sam Roukas, IsThisACatInAHat online, 2 predict)
That is the last FOUR major events, every single top 8 miracles decklist have been playing predict. Saying "others have moved away" is just incorrect and shows and incredible bias towards a single segment of the miracle archetype.
Twndomn is very wrong, but saying "every" top 8 deck miracle deck is on predict isn't the most accurate. Lossett today, and there have been plenty of other 0 predict lists doing well, even if not in the events you quoted.
True, Lossett didn't play predict.
He is, in fact, the only guy who top8 recent events with miracles that IS NOT playing predict.
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