[Primer] Eldrazi Stompy

[Noloam_]

Thanks noloam, did not know show and tell was so prevalent there actually, I'll submit using your confusion list. Thank you!!

good luck with it :). today i got wrecked by omnitell two games, regardless of the confusion for the first time :/. through the breach and realese the ant are annoying. stupid gitaxian probe :P. but hey if i did not play anything i was also dead XD

[MasterHerC]

If you go to japan, play confusion. Japan is THE omnitell country


You play confusion over ashen rider, because you rather get the permanent then destroying it

Just wanted to say the same.
It will be Show-and-Tell-City in Chiba.

The Asians love to play unfair decks and Big Bomb Creatures. (:
You can also expect a good amount of ANT and Reanimator (both, UB & BR).

[Darkness]

Has anyone tested with basilisk collar for the mirror of goofy matchup.

[tangster]

good luck with it :). today i got wrecked by omnitell two games, regardless of the confusion for the first time :/. through the breach and realese the ant are annoying. stupid gitaxian probe :P. but hey if i did not play anything i was also dead XD

Hehe I'm getting worked up and excited for GP Chiba each passing hour!!!

How does Release the Ant work in snt?

[tangster]

Just wanted to say the same.
It will be Show-and-Tell-City in Chiba.

The Asians love to play unfair decks and Big Bomb Creatures. (:
You can also expect a good amount of ANT and Reanimator (both, UB & BR).

Storm not too scary, just have to hope to draw my chalices and postboard thorns

Reanimator I feel is tougher, especially game 1.
How hard should I mulligan for Leyline post board? Eldrazi is pretty resilient to mulligans, I've had games where milliganing even down to 4 has been good just because I've needed certain hands.

[tangster]

Metagame breakdown from recent Hareruya legacy tournament

http://www.hareruyamtg.com/article/category/detail/3545
Metagame Breakdown in the 300 players tournament at Hareruya on 2016/11/19

UW miracle 10.3%
Eldrazi 10%
D&T 6.7%
BUG 5.3%
4C Delver 5.3%
UR Delver 4.3%
Infect 4.3%
UBR Delver 4.0%
Omni-Tell 4.0%
Jund 4.0%
ANT 3.3%
Lands 2.0%
UB reanimate 2.0%
Griselshoot 2.0%
Sneak and Show 2.0%

[Noloam_]

Has anyone tested with basilisk collar for the mirror of goofy matchup.

yes it is great in the mirror. It is insane vs any burn/UR deck. and combo's with endbringer. I think it is good, but you dont have room for it. I rather use my sideboard to make my bad matchups better, then to make my OK matches better

[chaosjace]

Serious question.
What situations or meta do I want endbringer in? Does it take the place of oblivion sower or fill a different roll?
My meta Is combo heavy so I don't know how goodnsower would be, I've died to empty the warrens but that's probably too fast for endbringer. Drowner of hope is the 6 drop I am running and that feels right. Just want some opinions.
Meta is also D&T, couple delvers, elves, belcher, tin fins show and tell and ant. Should I even be running a 6 drop? Maybe I make room for another dismember or warping wail main.

[Noloam_]

Serious question.
What situations or meta do I want endbringer in? Does it take the place of oblivion sower or fill a different roll?
My meta Is combo heavy so I don't know how goodnsower would be, I've died to empty the warrens but that's probably too fast for endbringer. Drowner of hope is the 6 drop I am running and that feels right. Just want some opinions.
Meta is also D&T, couple delvers, elves, belcher, tin fins show and tell and ant. Should I even be running a 6 drop? Maybe I make room for another dismember or warping wail main.

if you dont play confusion side, you have to play endbringer main vs show and tell decks. Oblivion sower is more vs the decks with shaman or counters

if that really is your meta i whould really not run the 6 drops, but i whould run 2 thorns main for sure (at least)

[fireiced]

Chiba tomorrow! Playing with ESG instead of SSG for the 1x World Breaker in the side. Wish me luck in meeting all the good matchups

Edit: for the matchups

R1, Miracles - Won 2-0, Always had that warping wail to snipe that miracled Terminus.

R2, Shardless Sultai - Loss 1-2, Valuetown is valuetown.

R3, Lands - Win 2-1, Leyline & World Breaker from the side did a lot of work.

R4, Infect - Loss 1-2, Should had won this but he drew the recall to bounce chalice on 1 to Beserk before I can swing for lethal.

R5, Infect - Win 2-0, Eye of Ugin vomit starts is legit.

R6, Storm - Win 2-0, Maindeck 6 lock pieces of 2 Thorns & 4 Chalice + 4 City of Traitors wins Storm

R7, Shardless Sultai - Win 2-1, Valuetown cannot beat Eye of Ugin vomit starts.

R8, Grixis Delver - Win 2-1, Eye of Ugin vomit starts is legit. Warping Wail is awesome vs YP.

R9, DnT - Concede to friend as he was paired up and cannot take another loss.

Ended the day with 6-3 to go day 2

[Darkness]

Eldrazi was the single most highest represented archetype on Day 2 of Chiba. If you combine all the Delver decks together then Delver was but I don't because none of them play out the same. Go go tentacle monSTARS!

[MasterHerC]

23 copies of Oblivion Sower and 19 copies of Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in the 7 Eldrazi Decks of GP Chiba's Top64.
Seems they also like Ulamog.
Only 5 copies of Simian Spirit Guide.

All 7 lists below (wanted to add them with a "show-on-click"-text for each list, but don't know how):


HIDEHIRO NOMURA'S ELDRAZI - 23RD

Creature (24)
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Oblivion Sower
4 Endless One
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer

Instant (4)
2 Dismember
2 Warping Wail

Artifact (6)
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Land (26)
4 Eye of Ugin
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
3 City of Traitors
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
4 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Ratchet Bomb
2 Pithing Needle
1 All Is Dust
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

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SHIN TOMIZAWA'S ELDRAZI - 26TH

Creature (25)
4 Reality Smasher
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Endless One
4 Oblivion Sower
3 Matter Reshaper
1 Endbringer
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

Instant (2)
2 Warping Wail

Artifact (8)
4 Grim Monolith
4 Chalice of the Void

Land (25)
4 Eye of Ugin
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Wasteland
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
1 Endbringer
3 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Dismember
1 Mockery of Nature
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Wurmcoil Engine

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HIDEAKI HATA'S ELDRAZI - 32ND

Creature (27)
4 Eldrazi Mimic
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
3 Oblivion Sower
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Endless One

Sorcery (2)
2 All Is Dust
Instant (2)
2 Dismember

Artifact (4)
4 Chalice of the Void

Land (25)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Eye of Ugin
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Wasteland
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
4 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Ratchet Bomb
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Coercive Portal

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HIROKI KAGEYAMA'S ELDRAZI - 42ND

Creature (26)
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Endbringer
4 Oblivion Sower
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Endless One
4 Eldrazi Mimic

Instant (2)
2 Warping Wail

Artifact (6)
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Land (26)
4 Eye of Ugin
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Wasteland
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
2 All Is Dust
2 Dismember
2 Ratchet Bomb
4 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Karakas

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YUMA KOIZUMI'S ELDRAZI - 43RD

Creature (27)
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Endless One
4 Reality Smasher
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Oblivion Sower
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Matter Reshaper
2 Simian Spirit Guide

Instant (3)
1 Warping Wail
2 Dismember

Artifact (6)
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Land (24)
4 Eye of Ugin
3 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Wasteland
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
3 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Karakas
2 Pithing Needle
2 Endbringer
1 Basilisk Collar

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TOMONORI HIRAMI'S ELDRAZI - 46TH

Creature (22)
4 Eldrazi Mimic
2 Endbringer
4 Endless One
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer

Instant (6)
3 Warping Wail
3 Dismember

Artifact (6)
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Land (26)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 City of Traitors
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Wasteland
3 Eye of Ugin
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Karakas
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
2 All Is Dust
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Ratchet Bomb
4 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Pithing Needle

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MASATOMO IWAYAMA'S ELDRAZI - 47TH

Creature (25)
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Endless One
4 Oblivion Sower
4 Reality Smasher
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Eldrazi Mimic

Sorcery (2)
2 All Is Dust

Instant (3)
2 Warping Wail
1 Dismember

Artifact (5)
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Land (25)
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Wasteland
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Eye of Ugin
60 Cards

Sideboard (15)
1 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
1 Endbringer
2 Pithing Needle
2 Ratchet Bomb
4 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Leyline of the Void

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[chaosjace]

What purpose does the urborg land serve? I genuinely have no idea. Is it to make LotV castable?

[ratninja]

What purpose does the urborg land serve? I genuinely have no idea. Is it to make LotV castable?

Lots of stuff, mainly:
* You can tap Eye of Ugin for a black mana, meaning it represents 3 mana.
* You can tap Ancient tomb for black mana, so you don't take 2 damage when you tap it
* If your build has Oblivion Sower, fetch lands can be tapped for mana

Also:
* you can pay for Dismembers black mana
* you can pay for Surgical Extraction, Fearie Macabre or Leyline of the Void, cards which may be in your sideboard

[MasterHerC]

It enables Eye of Ugin to tap for an additional mana.
For the Lategame You can also tap Ancient Tomb just for 1 Black instead of paying 2 Life for .
And if You hit some Fetchlands with Oblivion Sower You can also tap those for mana.

And a nice, small bonus is that You don't have to pay so much life for Dismember if the lands are up.

Oh, and it makes Leyline of the Void castable, if You happen to draw it.

EDIT: got ninja'd by a ratninja. :D
EDIT2: I kinda like it that we got the same order, though.

[chaosjace]

Thanks for the answers! I will run one in the list I am running, as I have 4 Aether hub. The biggest plus I see is for the eye and tomb, it's too easy to almost kill yourself with tomb.

[MasterHerC]

Thanks for the answers! I will run one in the list I am running, as I have 4 Aether hub. The biggest plus I see is for the eye and tomb, it's too easy to almost kill yourself with tomb.

Especially if You are also forced to play a Dismember, paying 4 Life.

I found myself in that situation way too often, so I went down to 2 Wastelands for a second Urborg, not regretting that right now.

But now I want to try out 4 Sower (quickly ordered 2 more foil copies). :P

[Darkness]

I feel like removing the SSG makes combo match ups worse, which is surprising considering the Japanese Meta has pretty good combo players. I have considered it but I'm in the North East of USA and there are a lot of combo players here. Maybe if the Meta shifted heavily to the Shardless Match up I would consider it, I just wouldn't want to make my bad matches worse than they are.

[MasterHerC]

I can just imagine that they relied on the Oblivion Sower because they expected a lot of Sneak & Show - Decks, so that there is a higher possibility of hitting additional Ancient Tombs & Cities (if the games goes long like that, of course).
But I for myself would more likely play Thorns in the MD instead of a bunch of Sowers as I think that taxing those decks is more valueable than probably hitting those Lands.
I won't cut any SSG's, too, for no special reasons, they are simply good.

[fireiced]

Continuation from my previous post, finished a lousy 7-8 in day 2

R10 & 11. Mirror and lost both, all losses as the 4x Oblivion Sower MD with both of them MDing the boss Ulamog. Big Eldrazi trumps Small Eldrazi me

R12, Miracles, Loss 1-2, Outplayed. Japanese players are fantastic with Miracles and have a lot of spicy tech.

R13, Omni-Tell, Loss 0-2, Herp Derp T1 SnTs

R14, Sneaky Show, Win 2-1, Had Singleton Endbringer to face his T1 SnT Emrakul in both postboarded games.

R15, Elf Ball, Loss 0-2, Herp Derp flood the board into Craterhoofs. Chalice at 1 gets destroyed on the spot and I think I sided wrong here. Thorns does like nothing against them despite hitting their game ender cards but pointy ears make so much mana.

Eldrazi was the single most highest represented archetype on Day 2 of Chiba. If you combine all the Delver decks together then Delver was but I don't because none of them play out the same. Go go tentacle monSTARS!

Yes we are the most represented archetype but we are all mostly in the 6-3 bracket. Out of contention for top 8.

I feel like removing the SSG makes combo match ups worse, which is surprising considering the Japanese Meta has pretty good combo players. I have considered it but I'm in the North East of USA and there are a lot of combo players here. Maybe if the Meta shifted heavily to the Shardless Match up I would consider it, I just wouldn't want to make my bad matches worse than they are.

I want to challenge this assumption that the Japanese meta is the combo meta. Japan is THE Miracles & SnT variant meta. My friends who met Storm opponents, none are Japanese. SSG is stellar vs Storm but it feels like a liability vs Miracles and do not really pressure SnT into action as much (since SnT just shows and goes off, T1 Thorn aside).


Edit for spelling