[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Navsi]

Can someone share a Nyx Fit list that has been mentioned in the last ~ten pages?

This is what I ran at my last event:

2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
2 Marsh Flats
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Phyrexian Tower

4 Veteran Explorer
4 Academy Rector
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
2 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Doomwake Giant

4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Nissa, Vital Force
1 Liliana, the Last Hope

3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sterling Grove
2 Starfield of Nyx
1 Living Plane
1 Dead Weight
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Parallax Wave

Sideboard:
3 Leyline of the Void
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Spirit of the Labyrinth
1 Humility
1 Curse of Death's Hold
1 Seal of Primordium

The build I'd use now would have these changes:
-1 Savannah
+1 Cavern of Souls (if playing Nether Void)

-1 Eidolon of Blossoms
-1 Oblivion Ring
-1 Dead Weight
-1 Liliana, the Last Hope
+1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
+1 Nether Void (budget option: Dovescape)
+2 Abrupt Decay

I'm also looking to test Aid From the Cowl when it comes out, since it looks like an amazing value engine when combined with top / sterling grove.

[Ganfar]

You probably need to get used to fetching basics. Basics first, duals later.

Yeah, you are right. The only dubble green is Courser.

It was long time ago I played Nicfit and it's hard to play, so I make many mistakes. I will run it again next week and hopefully the meta has not change.

[genuine fugazi]

This is what I ran at my last event

Thanks a lot, I'll probably give it a try next week.

[Navsi]

This guy locks opponents out of casting Sorceries permanently when combined with Meren. Worth looking into, maybe in a BUG list with other artifact synergies?

[Ganfar]

This guy locks opponents out of casting Sorceries permanently when combined with Meren. Worth looking into, maybe in a BUG list with other artifact synergies?

Anti-Strom tech

[Brael]

This guy locks opponents out of casting Sorceries permanently when combined with Meren. Worth looking into, maybe in a BUG list with other artifact synergies?

Tutors off Ranger of Eos in white or Trinket Mage in blue. Those are both worth noting.

More specifically, it's another solid piece in BUG Pod. You can Trinket Mage to this, get it, then pod Trinket Mage into Meren.

[Navsi]

Tutors off Ranger of Eos in white or Trinket Mage in blue. Those are both worth noting.

More specifically, it's another solid piece in BUG Pod. You can Trinket Mage to this, get it, then pod Trinket Mage into Meren.

I could also see it being good in Junk Pod. Make this guy, swing, crack, make the new 3CMC Rallier and return him - next turn untap, make Pod, pod Rallier into Meren and lock out.

[Brael]

I could also see it being good in Junk Pod. Make this guy, swing, crack, make the new 3CMC Rallier and return him - next turn untap, make Pod, pod Rallier into Meren and lock out.

The only problem is that Meren is a dead end pod chain.

[Navsi]

The only problem is that Meren is a dead end pod chain.

It's not so bad. Next turn sac the Thopter again, return Rallier with Meren, which returns the Thopter, then continue the chain by podding Rallier away into another 4-drop.

[Brael]

It's not so bad. Next turn sac the Thopter again, return Rallier with Meren, which returns the Thopter, then continue the chain by podding Rallier away into another 4-drop.

You can do the same thing with a Kitchen Finks without forcing white, and while leaving more power on the board in the meantime.

Your line also costs you a turn. Meren won't have the counters to put Rallier directly into play, so it goes to your hand at end step. Meaning a turn of no podding, and a turn before you can recast.

[Ralf]

I believe Voice into Rallier makes a better POD chain.

But to be honest, Finks is so much mandatory in any POD shell (because of the lifeloss so to speak) that it might be very difficult to include something as cute as Rallier.

Blossoms/SFM -> Finks/EW -> Resto Angel/Redcap -> Thragtusk/Sigarda for combat oriented MU will ever be POD chains tough to beat if you ask me.

Obviously one can try to add Rallier in the CMC 3 bracket along with EW & Finks and assess whether or not it fills a gap...

[Brael]

I believe Voice into Rallier makes a better POD chain.

But to be honest, Finks is so much mandatory in any POD shell (because of the lifeloss so to speak) that it might be very difficult to include something as cute as Rallier.

Blossoms/SFM -> Finks/EW -> Resto Angel/Redcap -> Thragtusk/Sigarda for combat oriented MU will ever be POD chains tough to beat if you ask me.

Obviously one can try to add Rallier in the CMC 3 bracket along with EW & Finks and assess whether or not it fills a gap...

I'm still partial to the line:
Baleful Strix into Trinket Mage, get Hope of Ghirapur, cast Hope
Trinket Mage into Meren, sac Hope, return Hope

Like I said before though, it's a dead end chain. On the other hand, between the Trinket Mage upgrade and that UG draw a card creature, BUG is getting some substantial upgrades. I think it might be the best Pod Fit variant now, which is great because it's a very popular casual archetype and I always feel bad telling people it's not very good.

[Hmmm_Really?]

Holy moly Batman, I've been away for just a few weeks and there's 40+ pages to catch up.... TL;DR anyone?

[Echelon]

That makes a ton of sense. Just sucks that BG fetches are so pricy. Dunno if I'm willing to invest that much right now. Do you think this deck is viable without SDT/fetches? Is there any budget work around?

I guess I could get Windswept Heath a playset for $40 is reasonable. Another option as suggested by Brael is Ash Barrens that would let me shuffle on demand and with loam I could shuffle repeatedly.

I've run the deck without SDT (and for quite a long time) - the difference is night and day. It makes the deck so much better, it's crazy.

Same goes for fetchlands. It makes such a difference on the manabase - you can get away with so much more. Dual lands are the things you can sorta do without, or at least could replace for shockduals. That's what makes the smallest difference really (again, once you have your fetches though).

[Arianrhod]

Okay, I am actually officially sitting here updating the Primer finally. If you guys have updated lists that you want to be included for your specific versions, hit me up with them at this point. I'm going to grab Navsi's Nyx Fit list from a couple days ago to use as a base for that. I'm currently in need of updated lists for the following:

4c Atraxa (I understand that this is kinda new and untuned, and will note that in the primer, but I need a base for an actual 4c build. I can supply lists for Junk splash blue and BUG splash white)
SE Fit
Updated Pod lists would be amazing

Brael, specifically, do you want your GB version included?

If anyone else has anything that they think should be included, let me know.

[Captain Hammer]

I can't PM you so here is my list...

4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Natural Order
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Painful Truths

4 Veteran Explorer
3 Siege Rhino
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thragtusk
1 Progenitus

4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Dryad Arbor

Sideboard:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Choke
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Toxic Deluge

Please share your thoughts.

Has anyone else experimented with playing Natural Order and a Progenitus in Nic Fit. I've found that the card fits the deck like a glove. Progenitus also gives the deck that little extra push it needs to compete at the top tier by giving it a threat that shuts off the opponent and is damn near impossible to deal with.

Sure sinking 4 mana into Siege Rhino is nice, but it doesn't break the game open in half the way a 4cc Progenitus does.

[Navsi]

Arianrhod, your PM inbox is full so I'll post my 4C Atraxa list here. It's Stoneblade so I dunno if it's quite what you're looking for, but neither colour is more of a splash than the other.

4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Windswept Heath
1 Marsh Flats
2 Bayou
1 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Tundra or extra basic/fetch
2 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Phyrexian Tower

3 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
2 Baleful Strix
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
1 Thragtusk

4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Brainstorm
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sensei's Divining Top

1 Garruk Relentless
1 Nissa, Vital Force
1 Liliana, the Last Hope

1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow

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2 Surgical Extraction
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Thoughtseize
2 Pithing Needle
2 Lost Legacy
2 Golgari Charm
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Batterskull
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons

If you want to make a generic non-Stoneblade list:
-2 Stoneforge
-3 Equipment (although IMO Jitte is worth it anyway, especially with Atraxa)
+1 Sigarda
+1 Nissa, Vital Force
+1 Pernicious Deed
+1 Vindicate
+1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Swap the Sigarda in the sideboard for a Glen Elendra Archmage.

[Arianrhod]

Thanks. I didn't know my inbox was full -- I'll deal with that in a moment. I also don't care if people post lists here, though, that's totally fine too!

Edit: inbox emptied.

@Captain Hammer: probably going to hold off on your list since no real discussion or testing with Natural Order has been done. It's come up a couple of times, though, and I'll definitely make a note of it in the primer. Just not going to give it its own section quite yet :) Thanks for your contribution!

[Captain Hammer]

Thanks. I didn't know my inbox was full -- I'll deal with that in a moment. I also don't care if people post lists here, though, that's totally fine too!

Edit: inbox emptied.

@Captain Hammer: probably going to hold off on your list since no real discussion or testing with Natural Order has been done. It's come up a couple of times, though, and I'll definitely make a note of it in the primer. Just not going to give it its own section quite yet :) Thanks for your contribution!

I don't understand the logic in playing Pod over NO. Both need you to sink 4 mana and sac a creature but one gets you a relatively minor threat that you can gradually upgrade over several turns by sinking more mana into, and the other gets you an unblockable unkillable 10/10 on turn 3 that will win you the game turn 4/5.

As for the Atraxa lists, rather then stretching the mana base to support 4 colors just to play a threat that is easy to kill and that you can't cheat into play, wouldn't it be better to just play NO to consistently cheat a Progenitus into play on turn 3? I would be open to playing both cards together though.


Also wondering about PtE vs. StP. Is there a compelling argument that one is superior in most cases? Am I correct to think PtE is better here as a 4 of and StP is better when playing less than 4?

[mstephenson]

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/514610#paper
+1 Kaya, ghost assassin mainboard is what I took to 11th place in knoxville as a 4c rhino/atraxa build

and what I am taking to gp Louisville (still 4c rhino/atraxa)

4 Veteran Explorer
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Siege Rhino
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
3 Path to Exile
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Kaya, Ghost Assassin
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Nissa, Vital Force
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
1 Vindicate
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Island
1 Tropical Island
2 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold


3 Thoughtseize
3 Lost Legacy
2 Surgical Extraction
1 To the Slaughter
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Painful Truths
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion