Nice results!Originally Posted by Nikedemos
That is just the nature of decks playing things like Hymn to Tourach and Daze, they're super powerful early game but very weak late. You could play things like Jace, the mind Sculptor or Umezawa's Jitte for permanents with late game power. Jace is quite good from the sideboard.
This is the reason of my previous post.
I think that for now the only threat in late game is Jace.
I suppose this is the reason for the add into Malimujo's list of the 2x.
The nature of the deck give it a good early game, with greave control by Deathrite who give us a way to finish with a sort of direct damage inda face.
In this scenario, the only mid/late card is Jace, by the way our goal is to not go in the late imho.
Hi everyone,
Newbie question, please help. What are the pros/cons of this deck (the Stifle tempo version, not tapout Hymn) compared to RUG? Is RUG faster and BUG more resilient? Does RUG fold harder to graveyard hate? Does BUG have a significantly better Miracles matchup because of Decay?
RUG is a much better Stifle deck due to speed and efficiency, but it fell out of favour recently due to Stifle and Mongoose being very poor vs Eldrazi. Most BUG players also moved from Stifle to Hymn because of this. Both decks are pretty weak to GY hate like RiP as there's goyf in each, and the Mongoose / Shaman are embarrassing with it in play so that's not a huge factor in choosing either.
Eldrazi is on a bit of a downswing at the moment, both in paper and online, so Stifle could be a fine choice again. Hymn is also pretty well positioned at the moment, being good vs other BUG decks, Miracles, Sneak and Show etc. And like you say, being BUG with Decay let's you fight Miracles much easier.
What the "Team America" comunity think about this deck list http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14466&d=286650&f=LE...
Is there someone have tested it?
Scroll back a page or so. It's been discussed quite thoroughly.
Reid Duke has tried it out a bit too ;)
http://www.channelfireball.com/artic...in-louisville/
Are any of you guys planning on adding Fatal Push to the mainboard this weekend? I was thinking of adding two in the mainboard as I think it will help quite a bit in the death and taxes matchup and Jund/Grindy stuff.
Obv Fatal Push is a forced add for Team America right now.
This is the time to test the new card.
I've add 2x Push in my list And I suppose that every Team America player make the same.
What can we remove for two copies of push? (now i play the list of malimujo: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14482&d=286785&f=LE)
Your options:
- Dismember
- Liliana
- Fetch land
I'd cut one Lily and the Dismember, but many would probably advise to cut down to 19 land.
I remove 1 Abrupt Decay (the 4th is put into sideboard now) and 1 Dismember, but now i try to add 1 Leovold and 1 Nemesis to add threats at cc3.
Can you post your deck list?i'm very interested in having 1 leovold in main.... because i think that I will find more delver deck and more decks that draw, in EternalWeekEnd in Paris in 1 April.
After looking around a bit, I think this is a list I will try. This is very similar to Friedmans "True Name Delver" list that he posted to Youtube a month ago that he went 5-0 with. I basically took out the Bolts for Fatal Push and then I am running 20 lands as opposed to his 19.
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 True-Name Nemesis
1 Gurmag Angler
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
2 Snapcaster
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
2 Spell Pierce
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Fatal Push
4 Polluted Delta
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
2 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
4 Wasteland
Sideboard is still in the works but I know it will start with 3x Thoughtseize and 3x Surgical Extraction. Probably a Golgari Charm and a Deluge as well.
So what's the best plan against Turbo Depths? Or Hex depths or whatever.
I got turn 2 Marit Laged two games in a row. Matchup seems like about the worst I have played with this deck. Game 2 I brought in 3x Diabolic Edicts, 3x Surgicals, and a Pithing Needle.
Hei People
I always really liked BUG Delver/BUG Controll and after i saw the new Fatal Push, i know Bug getting a nice new Push!
Specially BUGish controll decks getting better now:) It's probably a 3-4off in a BUG Delver or BUG Controll Shell.
The First Deck i always want to beat is Miracle because normally i play Miracle by myself.
With BUG you can do this! Delver/Daze/Hymn is always pretty strong. I tried something different.
If we take all DTB how much impact could Fatal Push have on them? Clearly against Miracle not a lot but against every other Deck that plays creatures.
But if Bug Decks get more played, Miracle will have a harder time.(Depends on the skill of course)
With this list you don't have the Pressure like Delver/Daze/hymn but you have a lot better Midrange Game. Specially when the meta change to a Fatal Push Meta.
Cards Like TS and Snap are pretty nice against Miracle and a lot other decks. Specially TS into Snap into TS. I play 4 Fatal Push to handle every other Creature Decks like other Delver decks.
Sometimes you can just handel a Though-Knot Seer. Probably Best Card in this Shell and still underrated is True-Name Nemesis. He's always good except Combo.
The 4 Ponder/4BS Package of course for more Constants. Life from the Loam is a really underrated Card in my opinion in a Bug Shell. Right Now in the Meta it's pretty good.
Fixing Mana, Wasteland lock against Delver, Eldrazi or lands, BS/Ponder/Jace Tricks. Lili is nice with loam and also the experimental Collective Brutality (Also a underrated Card).
Brutality is right now my 3-4 TS. If you have Useless Cards in Hand you can't use in a situation you can just discard them and use 2 Mods of Brutality. I know it's a 2 for 2 but if it's resolve it will probably have impact.
Alot i can just take a shaman and a Cantrip. Against infect it seems slow but if he don't counter it, you take a agent or a elf and a Pump Spell. If he play the Pump spell you can still Crap a other one:)
If you just 1 Mode it's still a Removal or a Discard:)
Against Combo G1 seems not that great. It really depends on the Combo Deck. Don't forget with TS and Snap you can slow them down. Or even win.
But like i said this Deck have a Main Deck to beat every other Deck. After Boarding you have a good Combo Match up.
Here is my List:
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 True-Name Nemesis
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Collective Brutality
4 Fatal Push
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Ponder
4 Wasteland
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Thoughtseize
2 Life from the Loam
4 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Tropical Island
2 Bayou
SB: 1 True-Name Nemesis (Pretty Strong against Miracle and Creature Decks specially with jitte after boarding)
SB: 1 Pithing Needle (Basically against 70% of Legacy decks)
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction (B/R Reanimator, Storm or even as 1-2 off against Miracle)
SB: 2 Umezawa's Jitte (Creature Decks)
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker (I like him you can just him through Blood Moon and it can shut down Vial, LED or Sneak attack for example)
SB: 1 Sylvan Library (against Mirror or Miracle)
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse (Probably Fair decks)
SB: 2 Mindbreak Trap (Storm or B/R Reanimator)
SB: 2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest (I really tried him main but i always like True-Name Nemesis more, but he's probably a very strong Sideboard card)
SB: 1 Painful Truths (against Controll Decks, I'm not sure about this Card)
Greets
There are threads for controllish Team America and the new Noble/mana dork BUG deck.
Perhaps you can move your post there. Here, people discuss a much faster version of BUG.
I know mate..I already postet(Bug Controll Treath) it there i just want to share my idea...
But i mean i see some list here with snapcaster and true name. The Classic BUG Delver list get more and more to a control Deck so i think it's allright if i post this here^^
With Fatal Push legal, I managed to win a local 6 round tournament yesterday.
I played a modified Friedman list without red and Push/Dismember instead of the Bolts:
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Snapcaster Mage
3 True-Name Nemesis
2 Tombstalker
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
3 Thoughtseize
3 Fatal Push
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Dismember
4 Polluted Delta
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
4 Wasteland
Sideboard:
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Spell Pierce
1 Flusterstorm
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Pithing Needle
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Liliana of the Veil
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Darkblast
I'm still unsure about the Bayou. During testing, I played a 3rd Trop instead but had some situations where I missed a Bayou to fetch for, especially when it came to casting an early Tombstalker. The Bayou is awful in the opening hand though.
Overall, the deck feels pretty good.
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My matchups were:
Grixis Delver (2:1)
G1: I managed to stick a T1 DRS on the play and went from there. He never got into the game.
G2: I don't know why, but sometimes I still keep 1-landers on the draw in the Delver mirror. I got punished accordingly and got wasted into oblivion.
G3: He didn't have an early threat and I said land-go on my first four turns. Then I forced through Tombstalker and went to town.
SB: -4 Delver, -2 Thoughtseize, +2 Edict, +2 Darkblast, +1 Liliana, +1 Jitte
Death & Taxes (2:0)
Both games, I had plenty of removal and he didn't untap with anything scary while Delver/TNN killed him.
SB: -4 FoW, -4 Daze, +1 Needle, +2 Darblast, +1 Jitte, +2 Clique, +1 Liliana, +1 Edict
Sneak & Show (2:1)
G1: I didn't find enough disruption and he resolved S&T.
G2: After trading counterspells, he resolved S&T into Griselbrand while on 9 life. I had an Edict, he drew 7, didn't find the FoW and died.
G3: I had the nut draw of T1 go with Spell Pierce up, T2 Thoughtseize his S&T, play Delver, Surgical his S&T (taking another one out of his hand) and T3 or 4 Pithing Needle on Sneak Attack. Not much he could do.
SB: -3 Push, -1 Dismember, -3 TNN, -2 Tombstalker, -3 Decay, + all the combo hate, + Needle, + Edicts.
4c Delver (0:2)
G1: Threw away that one. I knew he was on some 4c Delver build. My opener (otp) was Usea, Bayou, 2x Thoughtseize, Daze, Brainstorm, Wasteland. I had the greedy line of Usea -> Thougthseize to keep Daze up but die to a Wasteland, or Bayou -> Thougthseize and keep the Usea safe. I opened up with Usea and took a DRS from his hand. He had the Wasteland and I didn't find another blue source until it was too late to recover.
G2: I got blown out by double Stifle.
-4 Delver, +2 Edict, +1 Liliana, +1 Jitte (if I knew he was on Stifle, I also would have brought in Spell Pierce)
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ANT (2:0)
G1: I managed to Thoughtseize his Tendrils and remove it with a DRS. Empty the Warrens wasn't fast enough.
G2: He kept a Hand with Empty the Warrens but bricked pretty hard on his draws and could only make 8 Goblins. He lost the race.
SB: Like against Sneak & Show, but keeping in the Decays against Swarm and Carpet.
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Mogg Catcher Stompy (2:1)
G1: I kept T1 Delver with double FoW backup otp. He played a T2 Magus of the Moon through Cavern of Souls, but the two FoW were enough to ride the Delver to victory.
G2: I countered the first Blood Moon and discarded his second, but he found a Chalice while I had a hand full of CMC 1.
G3: He mulliganed to 5 and didn't find enough lands. I beat him down with double TNN while keeping Spell Pierce and Decay up.
I fell in love. As a 4c Delver player I think, I'll give a try with this list.
What do you think about
- Gurmag Angler vs Tombstalker?
The double black mana is relevant I think, when you have to cast True-Name Nemesis with UU.
Without Tombstalker, you don't need bayou I think.
- Hymn vs Thoughtseize?
If it is possible to avoid mana problem with UU vs BB.
I think it may interesting to play hymn. The card is too good against so many decks.
What do you thing about this inclusion, because it will be really hard to fit the card in the curve.
- Including Leovold in Sideboard? (maybe in may but I'm not sure about this)
There is a hype for sure, but he might be insanely good in some meta.
If I put it in the mean, I think I'll put away 1 Tombstalker.
In the sideboard, it would be Liliana, but I dislike this. (Want to keep Lili in the 75)
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