I can't decide on what third equipment to run in the sideboard betweem Bskull, Sword of L&S, Sword of W&P...
Bskull is for Eldrazi, Burn and most stompy decks.
L&S is for Burn (although worse than Jitte), Miracles, DnT and to an extent Shardless (recurring Pridemade, protection from Strix).
W&P is for Burn, Miracles and DnT.
I know there are more decks but those are most prevalent in my meta.
I really hate facing burn and L&S feels lackluster in the lifegain department but otherwise it can be used in so many more matchups...
I'd say BS is more of a mainboard equip, it's good against everybody but requires at least 3 Mystics in case one gets removed.Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Now for L&S vs W&P. Both create a lock against Miracles with Teeg attached, both allow getting through D&T lines with ease, W&P is better vs Burn due to pro-R, L&S is better in grindy slow matchups, when opponents play lots of black removal (and not just Swords/Terminus).
What to play in the end depends on your list & which matchups do you want to improve. But I'd not play more equipments in sb at all. Many people side in artifact removal post-board (e.g. Burn sides in 4x Smash to Smithereens), and giving them more targets is meh. I'd rather play other stuff like Garruk Relentless against Miracles or (if you desperately need heal) smth like Kitchen Finks / Obstinate Baloth.
To make a prairie, it takes a clover and one bee. One clover, a bee, and revery...
Hi everyone !
This deck recently drew my attention, and after a little testing it felt amazing. So I'm building IRL something close to Tmagpie's list.
Just not sure what to bring in the sideboard though, and I wanted to ask :
1°) are those decks I'm usually facing good/bad/balanced MUs ? (see list below)
2°) basically, what would you put SB to face those archetypes ?
My local meta : Infect, Miracles, Shardless BUG, DnT, Pikula, Sneak show.
Thanks in advance and have a good day !
Infect : bad mu. Sideboarding: all removal you could find, from Persecutions and Abrupt Decays to Garruk Relentless.
Miracles: bad. Sideboarding: All Teegs you could find, as well as Chokes, Surgical Extractions, ADs, Needles (or other removal for Jace). Combat planeswalkers like Garruk and Elspeth help a lot too.
Shardless BUG: neutral. The deck can ride on CA, but is clunky, especially manabase-wise. Thalia+Wasteland has won me many games vs these guys. Sideboarding: all CA generators you can find, Chokes.
DnT: good. We are both creature decks, while ours is bigger. Watch out for SFMs eot from Vial, sudden Flickerwisp and mana denial tools. Side removal and CA.
Pikula: good. Remove their CA generators like DC quickly enough and suddenly average value of your topdecks is so much better. Side in extra removal and CA.
Sneak Show: neutral. Depends on your list (and skills to play vs Maverick from your opponent) a lot, but Thalias/Wastes, Knights, Revokers/Needles, Sanctum Prelates and post-board Thoughtseizes help a lot. Also side Surgicals for Intuition and Teegs for manual Sneak Attacks. Choke can do some work too.
To make a prairie, it takes a clover and one bee. One clover, a bee, and revery...
Thank you aspsnake !
Looks like a little gambling to bring Maverick at my LGS atm, but I think I'll give it a try if I'm able to gather the cards in time ;)
I think Light & Shadow is the best positioned 3rd Equip right now since it is still fine VS Miracles and D&T while being a lot more relevant against BUG/Fatal Push than War & Peace.
I did recently switch to 3 sfm to power up the eventual BS and because without equipments we don't have much CA. I felt I was always getting behind, especially against Shardless and DnT who does get the jitte very often. I also think BS would be okay against Eldrazi but I have not been able to test it yet. The only times I faced the deck I was crushed within a few turns. This deck is so fast and mom can't stop their threats so I thought about adding some medium sized T3 blocker to stabilize while KoTr grows.
I got to suit up L&S against Miracles once and it was heaven. Spamming pridemage was the best thing that ever happened but I can't help to think the game would have been done 5 turns earlier if it was W&P.
As for burn running artifact removal, I don't think it's that big of a deal since 1 swing with BS/Jitte/Swords negates smash damage. I usually put my equips in play when I know I can suit them up and swing at least once anyway. Besides, I usually switch equips 1 for 1 so it doesn't make the targets more likely.
While it is almost always worse than the other options in the mu I'd side it in, I have to agree that it looks better as a sideboard card since it's usable against a wider range of decks.
I'm personally a fan of number_of_equipments >= number_of_mystics strategy pre-board. As a person who has been playing SoL&S mainboard last month, I'd say one needs really big reasons to play the sword over BS right now, e.g. meta infested by Miracles and D&T. When choosing between Jitte, SoF&I and BS from trigger of Stoneforge, every equip fulfills a very specific role (need to get through non-blue/red creatures? Jitte; need to get through the fish? Sword; need to gain life asap? BS). I just noticed that never go for SoL&S over SoF&I, except D&T and Miracles (while in these matchups you can do just well with Jitte and SoF&I respectively), so I abandoned the sword and didn't regret the decision since.
To make a prairie, it takes a clover and one bee. One clover, a bee, and revery...
I had put L&S away for that exact reason but once I brought BS to the side I found out I rarely sided it in. At least I used to side in L&S a lot (since it's okayish in more matchups). And for the record, my meta is litterally infested by DnT with miracles/eldrazi/shardless closely following.
I like 3:2 or 4:3 Stoneforge-equips ratio but 3:3 would be optimal if I had flex slots (which I don't atm). 2:2 was the bare minimum but I felt I didn't get equipments often enough.
I got to do that this weekend against D&T and it was ridiculous, blew up a jitte, batterskull, and SoFI over a few turns.
SoLS was equipped to scryb ranger so I could pseudo vigilance the whole time too, just blanked everything he was doing. Was nuts!
I just play 2 SFM with Jitte and SoFI main and either no equipment or SoWaP in the board. SoLaS has been so disappointing lately, it's sweet when you loop pridemages against DnT but you're already favoured against that deck and you hardly get value out of it in other matchups you bring it in because your creatures are ending up in exile or at the bottom of your deck. War and Peace applies directly to your opponents forehead, and that I can get behind.
As far as matchups go I was going to say Sneak n Show seems like a horrible matchup but then I realized everyone locally plays Omni in their sneak/show and Show and Tell -> Omni -> cast Emrakul rolls us unless we have something like Etersworn Canonist + Pridemage or enough permanents and life to be able to crack back for lethal (which happens but is rare). They also seems to just play basics and can wait to play a sol land until they need to go off making Wasteland blegh. If they're just trying to show and tell in a creature then you crush that because you have so many ways to put a Knight into play to get a Karakas.
I feel like Shardless is slightly favoured against us as we can't do much if they suspend a visions as we don't have the greatest clock in the world, and there's awkward moments where you play Thalia is staring down goyfs, but yes going after their fragile mana base is a good way to secure the W.
I play against infect a lot and I win most of my matches, if they have the game one turn 2 lethal on the play with counter magic then there's obviously not much you can do about that but that doesn't happen that often. Other decks struggle a lot against inkmoth nexus because decay doesn't hit it but you have plow, pridemage and wasteland. Scryb Ranger can also block it. Your creatures can get in the way of glistener elf sans the couple copies of berserk. Save plow for blighted agent, and don't blow your removal early to get killed by vines, just take the 1 or 2 infect then kill the creature at their end step, or during your own turn if you can. Live until you can establish jitte and then pew pew. Game 1 is definitely the hardest to win vs this deck as they could either just have the nuts or have an agent and save their vines// force of will to protect it as the only ways we have to deal with agent game 1 are plow, equipment, and maybe flex slots like Garruk. Postboarded games feel a lot easier as you tend to have more answers than they have threats. Discard is very good against them as it can take a threat, take away lethal pump, take away vines, and just let us know what's up. Decay is an uncounterable way of killing all their threats except inkmoth which we already have a lot of answers for, just watch out for vines. Zealous is just an absolute blowout if timed right, it even kills their hierarchs.
Yesterday split the top 4 of the TJ Collectibles Titanium Series event with my Maverick list. Had a few on stream feature matches including both quarterfinals and semifinals (which was a pretty heartbreaking loss to Miracles). Here is my list:
23 Lands:
2 Bayou
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Plains
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
24 creatures:
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Renegade Rallier
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Tireless Tracker
13 Other Spells:
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sylvan Library
Sideboard:
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Blessed Alliance
1 Choke
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Pithing Needle
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
Can do a more complete tournament report later, but this is what I faced.
Rd 1 - Draw vs Deathblade (0-0-1)
Rd 2 - Win vs Omni-Sneak (1-0-1)
Rd 3 - Win vs 12 Post (2-0-1)
Rd 4 - Win vs Grixis good stuff (3-0-1)
Rd 5- Win vs Death & Taxes (4-0-1)
Rd 6 - Intentional draw (4-0-2)
Had the #7 seed going into top 8.
Top 8 - Win vs Grixis good stuff (same guy, Noah Walker, that I faced in rd 4)
Top 4 - Loss vs Miracles
Had a good mix of fair and unfair matches, and the deck performed really well, though I think I was luckier than usual with my draws. Have been running a one-of Renegade Rallier which really shined. It lets you just cast your potent game-changing two drops (Library, Jitte, Thalia) into obvious FoW and is backbreaking when you get them back next turn. Also I lived the dream and had double wasteland turns with Rallier in at least 2 matches. Cavern of Souls also overperformed - would maybe even like to go up to 2, but it's tough making the mana work since I run 2x Abrupt Decay in the main. Also was happy with 3 Abrupt Decays in the 75 - it has applications in nearly every matchup. Miracles as usual did me in, though I mulliganed to 4 (and kept a no-lander) in game 1. Also I played sort of loose since we had agreed to split prizes before the match :)
Love your list, Timmy! If I'd decide to play GSZ Maverick nowadays, I would copy mainboard 1-to-1. A singleton of Tireless Tracker and a Rallier are nuts! Probably the only change I'd make is adding a couple of Surgicals to the sb, they are so good atm, in particular vs Miracles.
Last edited by aspsnake; 03-06-2017 at 07:12 AM.
To make a prairie, it takes a clover and one bee. One clover, a bee, and revery...
Great finish. I'm sure you have been told already, you missed blowing up the top with pridemage on his turn, he terminused you and you would of won that turn. I know it's easy for me to say as a viewer. I kept saying blow his top now and you untapped untapped. Great tournament!
I've gone back and forth on what to bring in vs Miracles. Currently I bring in +1 Needle, +1 Decay, +1 Gaddock Teeg, +1 Garruk, +1 Sanctum Prelate, +1 Sword of Light and Shadow, and +1 Choke. I bring out -4 Swords to Plowshares, -1 Scavenging Ooze, -1 Gaea's Cradle, -1 Knight of the Reliquary.
I like the thought of Surgicals (or even Extirpate) in response to snapcasters. I generally don't like to surgical just to rid them of Terminus/Jace/etc permanently, as they have so many different ways to win and it's card disadvantage. I also dislike diluting the deck and taking away too many threats.
I am considering maybe a second Sanctum Prelate (with another Cavern of Souls in the main) perhaps. It is another good choice across a variety of decks.
Removing Snapcaster's StP is just a secondary purpose of Surgical Extractions in the Miracles matchup. The primary purpose is removing first Terminus in GY in response to the second Terminus' miracle trigger, it is just bonkers and is pure advantage (you remove Terminus from their hand and save your board state, I've done it several times and each time it was hilarious). Extirpate is generally much worse against Reanimator decks, so I would stick to Surgicals (and it's good against Miracles too as you can tap out properly, with Thalia you need to always keep 2 mana open). But what really bothers me in your list is that you have no sideboard answers to Reanimator/Dredge at all :p
Now for sideboarding. With your list, I'd bring +1 AD, +1 Teeg, +1 Choke, +1 Sanctum Prelate, +1 Garruk, +1 SoL&S, +2 Surgical Extraction (virtual ones), remove -1 Gaea's Cradle, -3 Swords (or -4 Swords, depending whether they play Snapcasters and double Entreat - trust your inner feelings ^^), -3/4 Deathrite Shaman (hard to cast vs cbalance, not amazing topdeck & we don't wanna ramp and put lots of creatures in play early just to be eaten by Terminus). Knight and ooze are certainly not the ones to go out xD. What is also amazing in the matchup is a singleton of Council's Judgement in sb to remove Jace, I would maybe swap a Needle for it, but it's a very personal decision. Although, remember that I'm judging from a Vial Maverick player's perspective, haven't played GSZ Maverick for years.
Your manabase is perfect and I do strongly advise against second Cavern of Souls mainboard: with 2 Abrupt Decays mainboard + 1 sb, you will have too many issues casting them. With 4x GSZ(which you can cast for x=6 in the lategame to avoid being countered), 2x Qasali Pridemages and Decays, I doubt that you have hard times getting through the cbalance. If Delver matchups are a problem, you might stick 1 Cavern to sb and exchange it for a Cradle against Miracles (against Delvers, you can just add +land to safely play around Daze and manabase disruption), but I'm not sure if that's really needed.
Prelates are good, but not so much without vials. I can see why playing 1x in sb, but 2 will probably be not that amazing (ofc, it really depends on the matchups you want to improve).
To make a prairie, it takes a clover and one bee. One clover, a bee, and revery...
Yeah, I realized this after he cast that Terminus. I was pretty exhausted mentally at that point (long tourney plus the three-hour drive to get there) and tilted a bit that I couldn't just finish him off. Also probably played a bit loose given we had previously agreed on prize split :p
timmyod17, what stream were you on? I would really like to go back and watch.
Also Neeley, I saw that you went undefeated in a league. Did you already discuss? If not what did you run up against?
Thanks
https://www.twitch.tv/tjcollectibles
Don't know if there are replays going, though.
That sucks. I just looked and it doesn't look like they posted it to past videos. Anyone know of a work around?
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