Dunno were you get these awnsers from, but from my experience i would side it in vs, miracles, shardless, bug midrange, grixis delver, ur delver, ant, and maybe even maverick.Originally Posted by Claymore
I like Ghost Quarter so much I maindeck it. I can't think of many matchups where it's even particularly bad.
You bring it against UR Delver to fight against PoP?
I'll echo these comments on GQ, it's amazing vs a lot more decks than you think. I played vs Mats online yesterday with Miracles and GQ was really scary. Miracles wants to fetch around Wasteland, so it becomes a Strip Mine very fast.
Miracles runs 2 plains, 4 Islands. It can take a little while, we can't ghost someone out as easily as Lands. That's my mentality on it at least, we have better things to draw/do against them when they can have a live Mentor or CounterTop going.
It's really not so much of taking out all their basics as it is forcing them fight another angle alongside whatever threats you are committing to the board while at the same time having a 5th wasteland/strip mine in other matchups.
The problem is that Miracles just has all the inevitability in the matchup and barring their awkward draws it's relatively easy for them to develop their manabase by fetching basics. If the game goes long enough they can easily cast a large entreat or just take over the midgame with mentor + monks. GQ helps to take away some of the inevitability. Imo you shouldn't be loaming just to GQ someone, that's just silly.
This. It's really not that hard to take them off white mana, go after that first. It forces them to play proactively too, you have to judge the gamestate to see whether the plan of loaming for GQ is turn is worth it of course though.
Been jamming this deck for about a month now, using Mats Ole list. I have a local tech question about a burn heavy meta.
I know Burn and its variations are not a good matchup for us. But, what cards could we potentially tech into the sideboard to improve our odds? One of the stores I go to has a lot of burn players, and without Blue, I feel our options are limited to improve this matchup.
So, although they are sub-optimal, any potential sideboard tech for burn that could be good (people use Chill here) to put into the sideboard here? Or any general advice on fighting off burn? Trying to get hp out of deathrite shaman, and minimize damage from Price of Progress were my only options it seemed.
Admittedly I have never actually won a match against burn, I usually can win about 1 game by the skin of my teeth. Pretty much it comes down to landing a chalice + not dying from price of progress. I'm not sure about the best options but Warmth and Zuran Orb were the first thing to come to mind but we don't really have a good way of finding those cards. I feel like if everyone and their mother was playing burn and I was hellbent on wanting to play 4 color loam, i'd play some number of Leyline of Sanctity in the board. I don't think i'd play chill, splashing a 5th color in an already pretty greedy deck sounds no bueno.
Aside from "mulligan to knight of the reliquary", you can run COP:Red (I've done that when burn briefly surged at my lgs). Your flex land being a swamp can also help. Thalia is good in the matchup.
I am usually playing D&T but am going to try 4c loam. Volrath's Stronghold, Eternal witness seem like strong cards to me.
Both are tutorable. The deck has a lot of mana to use them.
Are they just too slow?
Imho the problem ist that you don't want to commit the Deck to much to the graveyard. (Eternal Witness additionally is slow.)
Volrath could occasionally be good, but Shaman shuts it off and vs Miracles its dead. Additionally your Manabase is already pretty greedy and there are a lot of utility lands out there competing around this spot.
Depths/Stage, Maze, Bojuka Bog, Cabal Pit etc. Maybe even Riftstone Portal against Moons (personally didn't liked it, but didnt tested it very much)
I personally favor the Depths Combo, its and additional out that comes out of nowhere sometimes, and it likes to turn around games where you are facing a terrible board position.
Hi guys,
BUG food chain is a real thing in my meta. Everytime I play against this deck, I feel like if I cannot win fast I loose because their late game is better. This happen most of the time. This deck is not fast enough. If I win, it is usually because of their really, really bad draws. This happen from time to time. Any advise how to fight this deck?
I use stock build with following sideboard:
3 Leyline of the Void
2 Thoughtseize
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Golgari Charm
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Choke
Regards,
Peter
2 Thalias > 2 Canonists might partially solve your problem.
Recently saw on goldfish that some lists are starting to run a Renegade Rallier, Toxic Deluge and Painful Truths in place of Liliana of the Veil. Thoughts? This seems very wrong to me imo as Liliana is basically what singlehandedly gives us a positive matchup against Miracles. Rallier seems very interesting to try out as he buysback lands, Teeg, Deathrite, Sylvan Library, Scooze and Bob, but I'm not sure if Lily is the correct cut for it.
Your reality is what you make it of it with this deck, moreso than just about any other. If your gameplan is somehow Lili-dependent, that's on you. I've been playing 0 lili for years any my Miracles winrate is like 80+% in games, and better in matches.
Tho I will say Painful Truths is not what this deck wants to do. We already have plenty of that effect. Rallier we briefly talked about when it came out, but I don't think anyone came back with any testing. Toxic Deluge makes the main of some lists, I personally love 2x in the SB but think it is rly meta-dependent to main it.
Yeah honestly miracles shouldn't be too difficult, I too have a 80%+ winrate vs miracles and I am only running 2 LOTV.
Cards such as sylvan library and dark confidant are just huge problems for them, you just have to be patient.
I've found the only games I tend to lose are when they have an amazing entreat after I've had to commit all of my removal to mentors, and even then, those games are far and few between.
It's probably not correct, but I like to force them to deal with my dryad arbor as much as I can, because fetching for it after they commit a terminus to it is hilarious.
I play Loams sometimes.
My list that you see in there where I am running a Shaman/Deluge and Painful Truths in place of Lilis is only because I don't have them on MTGO. Due to that I am testing potential sideboard cards in the main deck. The Rallier is a card I have been testing for awhile in place of the maindeck Shaman and I will probably keep playing it, even with the Lilis
What type of miracle players are you guys playing against? I play vs very skilled player on MTGO and I can't believe you would have 80% win rate. Two miracles players I run into often is Sam roukus and mzfroste on mtgo. They are very skilled players and I'm no where close to 80 percent.
For real, i'll take 100 of whatever miracles players those are.
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