I feel like that's a no-brainer there, every deck that has Deathrite has 2-4 Decays in the 75, but not every deck with AD has DRS.
Decay stopped the format from becoming solely Miracles vs Miracles counters because Counterbalance is so warping. BWR, GRW midrange decks have powerful tools (Thalia, SFM, Bob, Pyromancer, KoTR) but likely get stomped out by Miracles. It goes back to what Reid Duke said when building his Leovold BUG from scratch, either play Miracles or have a plan for Counterbalance - which is just Abrupt Decay.
Huh, actually DRS has more copies according to MTG Top 8. Not sure what their method is: http://www.mtgtop8.com/topcards
Actually this doesn't include the sideboard, where Abrupt Decay is #5 with [20.1 % 2.4].Deathrite Shaman 33.1 % 3.8
Abrupt Decay 25.1 % 3.1
Originally Posted by Acclimation
Sure, but every deck playing Deathrite plays 4 whereas not every deck on decay runs 4, or even 3 for that matter. But yes. I tried non black splash versions of maverick for awhile and could not consistently beat miracles when they can set up CB/Top and then wrath you for a single white mana then CB things or force anything they dont CB. The misery part is I don't think CB is particularly good against Maverick, but if you don't have decay then it does enough that snapcaster swords cleans up the shitty things you actually are able to resolve. Also Entreat is just a super easy win condition that trumps anything a green deck can put on board besides a deed. There's a reason Lands plays Boseju, DnT Cavern and Vial, Show and tell just goes over the CB. I'm not saying that CB is the problem, but when you get a one sided chalice that can change mana costs, PLUS a hyper efficient instant speed wrath, PLUS a mana base that cannot be attacked by wasteland, PLUS the best card filtering, PLUS the best card advantage engines in snapcaster and Jace, PLUS hyper efficient win cons that win immediately if not answer in Entreat/Mentor, PLUS a super flexible sideboard that can answer pretty much anything that you could want to answer with fairly minimal commitment because of the efficiency of your card filtering tools, that's when you get the abortion that is miracles dominating the format for 3-4 years with no end in sight.
Yeah Miracle is just tuned to beat what Legacy does, and will fall agains't anything where CB is crap.
While I do believe Legacy doesn't need more ban, more printing that can keep CB in check would be excellent.
While I agree with the idea of printing more cards to beat CB, I do have my worries about uncounterable spells. Those types of cards feels extremely ugly and unfun. I would rather get a ban rather than see more of these cards, which are (by my stand) super topdecks.
I'll just say this: Blue players have a virtual hand size consisting of an actual hand size + 3 top cards accessible by brainstorm and/or top and instant speed. Miracles is just the greatest offender by using top extensively. I believe some bans are required at this stage where blue decks/especially Miracles outperform nonblue decks consistently. Naming the only three/four nonblue decks that can to some degree, but still barely, stand on their own (dnt, elves, lands, eldrazi) is not a great counter argument.
I'd say Brainstorm is the offender, but it's pointless to discuss this further as it has been beat to death and until WOTC actually does something it’s a moot point.
I just wanted to toss my name into the hat of people who think Legacy is boring now. Mostly because of the way Miracles has warped the format. But also partly because of the way SCG stopped supporting Legacy.
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I liked the "Print answers" idea, I really did, but I have no faith in the people we are seeking those answers from anymore.
Lets really look at this:
Snapcaster/Leak was an issue, Cavern of Souls was printed.
Lingering Souls was an issue, they printed DRS.
Brainstorm was an issues, MM was printed.
I just do not trust them to come up with actual answers to cards these days that can see enough play to make them effective at their designated role without causing long term issues.
I feel like if they have already printed a hit card (Decay) and made it so effective at its role of being playable that it is already everywhere, we should not ask them to ramp that up. We have to admit anything new they would print would just play havoc on the format and its time for a different solution. I think we should stop hoping for answers to be printed. This is the company that missed that they were printing a two card kill into Standard so I have no faith in their ability to do anything subtlely anymore.
It's time to stop asking them to do what I feel is impossible for them to do, giving a free pass on some cards because "One day their might be an answer" and just using the list for its designed purpose. If they do later find a way to print something that can solve the issue then you can always so the other thing the list is meant to do, release the host... sorry impotent.
Edit:
Oh Yea, TNN and Council's Judgement... There's a big one I missed.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
Just to add to that, Leovold printed in BUG colors was pretty funny.
Blue getting the best Chains variant ever printed is just fucking icing.
Yes, blue also needed more help in form of TNN :) Bottom line what Dice said.. our hopes lie with incompetent WOTC, who either don't give a damn about elgacy (except when it's time to milk them with EMA) or they pruposly do nothing to make us suffer and transfer to standard and limited. Not really sure if this emote is more appropriate(with a bit of madness twinkle) or this one
It's like nedleeds said, it really sucks that even Perish sucks now because all of the best creatures are blue now or are griselchimp being put in by blue cards
If Legacy were more of a competitive format then any issues players have with either Miracles or Brainstorm would be even more noticeable. More people would flock to blue decks if this format were anything but a hobby these days. Wizards has made it known that they simply don't care about Legacy - we probably only have our 2 U.S. Legacy GP's this year because of the craziness that will be GP Vegas.
If only there was another store close to us that filled that gap with big events and streaming coverage ... oh, wait, there is. We miss you, elf master! Come join us next time.
BG1 with just the first line of text would still get played in blue decks honestly.
Have we forgotten that they printed Sanctum Prelate and Recruiter of the Guard?
Prelate is only good vs Blue decks, maybe Lands and super mediocre everywhere else.
I have confidence that they will print good cards that fit into non-Blue decks in the near future but many people who play Legacy only really have their two-three playsets of dual lands (and realistically only own a single deck) and would rather refer to their maybe-boards when cards like Prelate are being played. I would build decks like Storm, Dredge, Lands or Jund if it wasnt for normal financial restrictions.
And as Legacy players are we actually sick of playing as or against Miracles? I only like Legacy because Wizards has only destroyed five archetypes (Flash Hulk, Flame-Vault, Workshop, Worldgorger Dragon, Vengevine Survival) since its inception, which in my mind is a great track record. Also all of those decks except Flame-Vault is extremely offensive, although Vault might as well be offensive now.
But don't listen to me. My favorite Modern format was DTT, Cruise and Pod Modern.
I mean I definitely can't cast Punishing Fire and Life from the Loam
Just Crop Rotation for Barbarian Ring. Ez.
That was mainly done because BUG didn't have a Tiny Leaders Commander in said colors, imho.
I was about to post this. Although Cavern of Souls is a mighty fine card, I can't agree on hating on it.
Whenever they come up with solutions to overpowered (Legacy) cards, it won't do any good. Abrupt Decay was even stated to be the official answer to Counterbalace. While this holds true to this very day, it has pushed the meta very heavily into a BGx direction. And then we have stinkers like Mental Misstep, Council's Judgment to TNN or DRS in general.
The bottom line is that overpowered cards shouldn't be answered with other overpowered crap, but just flat-out banned. Full stop.
Also, what other answers would one expect to answer Counterbalance realistically to balance the colors more instead of going full BGx? Abrupt Decay is already as far away as possible from Miracles' colors. Anything else that is WUR or colorless could be easily run by themselves (and one should know that they will do so to combat the mirror), resulting into another overpowered answer card for them, pushing them even further (as Wear/Tear and CJ weren't already enough to answer everything).
I mean sure there are answers, but not having access to Loam and Punishing Fire does bite, regardless we are getting away from the subject.
My comment on Cavern was not about my views on the card personally, it was just to provide further evidence of an issue. When Wizards thinks there is an issue, they bring a sledgehammer and ignore that they already have access to a scalpel.
It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
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