[Primer] Nic Fit

[sdematt]

That's pretty ingenious. I'd go less Truths and +1 Top though. As for new Gideon - PtE doesn't give a shit about indestructible. It's nothing we can't deal with.

But not if they don't turn him into a creature. Perhaps the play is get them to negative life, then upkeep Decay him.

I was thinking about Entreat when I was doing surgery today. Seems pretty cool to either EOT kill another random derdly deck, or just make Miracles have it.

-Matt

[Echelon]

But not if they don't turn him into a creature. Perhaps the play is get them to negative life, then upkeep Decay him.

I was thinking about Entreat when I was doing surgery today. Seems pretty cool to either EOT kill another random derdly deck, or just make Miracles have it.

-Matt

As long as it's a Planeswalker, just send 2+ creatures towards its face. Or Sigarda, they still can't target her.

[sdematt]

For sure, just saying.

[Bobmans]

Nvm

[Arianrhod]

I've tried an Entreat in the past Matt, and it might just be my shit luck, but I never found it to work out. I always either drew it too soon, or it chewed up my mana because I had to keep pushing it down with Top, or it was answered / countered and I got time walked. Certainly feel free to experiment, but it didn't seem that great to me.

[Navsi]

I've tried an Entreat in the past Matt, and it might just be my shit luck, but I never found it to work out. I always either drew it too soon, or it chewed up my mana because I had to keep pushing it down with Top, or it was answered / countered and I got time walked. Certainly feel free to experiment, but it didn't seem that great to me.

Double white also seems relatively difficult for us at times. Broodmate Dragon is a relatively mediocre finisher and I think we'd need to be casting it for X=4 or more to reasonably expect to actually end games with it, and it can't be recurred or tutored like similar 6cmc finishers while also being garbage in the opening hand.

[Brael]

Been watching the spoilers, looking for interesting cards. Came up with an interaction earlier that I think might be powerful. With the Crop Rotation strategy, Maze of Ith is a great removal spell, but as it turns out, you also have an end of combat step where you can use Maze of Ith on your own guys. There could be something there with exert. So far Watchful Naga is the best in green, and Combat Celebrant is the best overall, which isn't quite good enough. Worth keeping in mind though.

[square_two]

Been watching the spoilers, looking for interesting cards. Came up with an interaction earlier that I think might be powerful. With the Crop Rotation strategy, Maze of Ith is a great removal spell, but as it turns out, you also have an end of combat step where you can use Maze of Ith on your own guys. There could be something there with exert. So far Watchful Naga is the best in green, and Combat Celebrant is the best overall, which isn't quite good enough. Worth keeping in mind though.

I think if you are free to durdle around attacking the opponent with weak creatures while using up a non-mana producing land, you are already in a good spot

New Nissa is interesting. It's a big plus for a possible Reanimator Fit?

3BB, 5 loyalty
+1 Make a 2/2 zombie, mill yourself 2
-3 Put target creature card from your grave into play, it's now a zombie
-7 Destroy all non-zombies

[Tokugawa]

I think if you are free to durdle around attacking the opponent with weak creatures while using up a non-mana producing land, you are already in a good spot

New Nissa is interesting. It's a big plus for a possible Reanimator Fit?

3BB, 5 loyalty
+1 Make a 2/2 zombie, mill yourself 2
-3 Put target creature card from your grave into play, it's now a zombie
-7 Destroy all non-zombies

Still don't think she could compete with Nissa at the 5CC slots. But worth a try.

[tilzinger]

I think if you are free to durdle around attacking the opponent with weak creatures while using up a non-mana producing land, you are already in a good spot

New Nissa is interesting. It's a big plus for a possible Reanimator Fit?

3BB, 5 loyalty
+1 Make a 2/2 zombie, mill yourself 2
-3 Put target creature card from your grave into play, it's now a zombie
-7 Destroy all non-zombies

You mean Liliana, not Nissa ;)

[Luthiereisfun]

I still like nissa more because even though it can't reanimate a creature I find the flexibility of being able to choose non creature cards back to hand better. To me it feels more flexible. Nissa is also more aggressive which I like for closing games out fast if you can stabilize with her.

That said I don't think new lili is bad. I suppose if there was a more gy based/reanimator deck that maybe used delirium or something to get more out of the self mill. Not really sure what that deck would look like but my gut says BUG colors.

[Brael]

I think if you are free to durdle around attacking the opponent with weak creatures while using up a non-mana producing land, you are already in a good spot

That's why I said there's nothing good enough yet. 3 mana for a 2/2 even if it draws you a card every turn isn't good enough. The extra combat step guy is definitely good enough, but he can't be tutored, and he's red so it would be a totally new build.

If the right creature shows up, it's definitely something I'll consider using.

[Arianrhod]

I still like nissa more because even though it can't reanimate a creature I find the flexibility of being able to choose non creature cards back to hand better. To me it feels more flexible. Nissa is also more aggressive which I like for closing games out fast if you can stabilize with her.

That said I don't think new lili is bad. I suppose if there was a more gy based/reanimator deck that maybe used delirium or something to get more out of the self mill. Not really sure what that deck would look like but my gut says BUG colors.

You run into problems with opposing deathrites then, though.

[Ulysse95]

You run into problems with opposing deathrites then, though.

I think she worth try!
I will put 1 Nissa and 1 Lili instead of 2 Nissa.

+ 1 is over fat with top!

[Brael]

I think she worth try!
I will put 1 Nissa and 1 Lili instead of 2 Nissa.

+ 1 is over fat with top!

Liliana is too slow. 2 turns to deal 2 damage. Nissa deals 10 in that time with a stronger ult.

[TTX]

Also in love with Cast Out, let's hope about more ench with cycling cards =)

Anyway, i'm testing a variation: as said, less creature and almost removal-proof deck. Main point is Evolutionary Leap: of course, it's a cc2 and so don't synergize well with Deed, but it's amazing: it's a costant and not-so-hateable sac outlet that can easily chain 2 rector to close the game (Curse+Humility/Living Plane/Dovescape). I'm totally in love with it, and since now the tests on cocka are going very well (like 30-2, to be clear. Obv, it's just cocka ^^ ).

// 61 Mazzo
// 3 Artifact
3 Sensei's Divining Top

// 11 Creature
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Eternal Witness
4 Academy Rector
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Thragtusk

// 14 Enchantment
3 Sterling Grove
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Starfield of Nyx
1 Humility
1 Curse of Death's Hold
1 Living Plane
2 Evolutionary Leap
1 Dovescape
1 Faith's Fetters

// 2 Instant
2 Abrupt Decay

// 22 Land
4 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
1 Scrubland
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Phyrexian Tower
1 Cavern of Souls

// 1 Planeswalker
1 Nissa, Vital Force

// 8 Sorcery
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Collective Brutality
1 Lingering Souls


// 15 Sideboard
// 2 Creature
SB: 1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze

// 8 Enchantment
SB: 1 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 1 Seal of Primordium
SB: 1 City of Solitude
SB: 1 Circle of Protection: Red
SB: 1 Humility
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring

// 2 Instant
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction

// 3 Sorcery
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 2 Thoughtseize

I love this Evolutionary Leap addition. I've been crushing decks on Cockatrice, Burn, TNN Tempo, Miracles, D&T etc.

I made a few modifications. Let me know what you guys think. The deck is super good, and no one can really play around it.
The weaknesses are fast combo and big mana decks like Cloudposts. I think the deck is really well positioned because of the
lack of fast combo and recent uptick of midrange/control/tempo decks featuring SFM, TNN, DRS, and such.


// 60 Maindeck
// 3 Artifact
3 Sensei's Divining Top

// 13 Creature
4 Academy Rector
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Doomwake Giant
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Deathrite Shaman

// 13 Enchantment
1 Starfield of Nyx
1 Living Plane
1 Parallax Wave
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sterling Grove
1 Faith's Fetters
2 Evolutionary Leap
1 Seal of Primordium

// 2 Instant
2 Abrupt Decay

// 22 Land
3 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Swamp
2 Forest
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Plains
3 Phyrexian Tower
2 Marsh Flats
1 Cavern of Souls

// 7 Sorcery
2 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Painful Truths


// 15 Sideboard
// 1 Creature
SB: 1 Eidolon of Rhetoric

// 11 Enchantment
SB: 1 Curse of Death's Hold
SB: 3 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Humility
SB: 3 Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 1 Sphere of Law

// 3 Instant
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 To the Slaughter

[Megadeus]

I went 3-1 with my Junk fit list tonight. Beating Show and Tell, Mono Red Sneak, and Jund. Losing to Death and Taxes. Got pretty lucky against SnT with his poor mulls and such. Blind Therapy hits are by far the greatest thing in Legacy. I think I was like 4/5 on blind therapy. Best was Turn 2 Green sun for explorer against Jund he goes Bob pass. I go Therapy blind name Bloodbraid, hit. Flashback take a Bob from his hand and decay his on board bob. Nissa continues to impress me, Garruk is also pretty good. I've gotten to use his -1 so many times in this deck it's amazing. Still not sure on Bellower how good he is or not. I might go with a second Tribe Elder somehow and just straight cut Renegade Rallier. Doctor Tickles has also impressed me a lot. I kind of put him in as a joke, but he's secretly pretty good. I don't think I've wanted Thragtusk even one time so far. What other good 5 drop green guys outside of Sigarda exist? Also just thinking. Woodland Bellower is really good to put in off of Show and Tell. I can put him in and get Rec Sage if they put in Omniscience or Sneak Attack, or if they put in Emrakul or Griselbrand he can find me a Knight that can then find me a karakas. I have no idea if that's any good, but it sounds kind of sweet. Maybe instead of Tusk, Bellower number 2?

[haganbmj]

What other good 5 drop green guys outside of Sigarda exist?

Entourage of Trest
Gurzigost
Ishkanah, Grafwidow
Lord of Extinction
Nessian Game Warden
Prophet of Kruphix
Sage of Ancient Lore

Yeah unfortunately not much holds a candle to Sigarda - especially all the dumb vanilla-esque beaters.

[Echelon]

There's also Verdurous Gearhulk, a 5 mana, 8/8 trample.

It's not as hard to kill as Sigarda, but improves the clock by a full turn. I've been running it for some time now and, well, it's never been bad (I mean, it's an 8/8 trample, what about that can suck?). Often I'll still GSZ for Sigarda (b/c it's Sigarda), but every now and then the occasion does call for Gearhulk.

[Navsi]

Thragtusk is a fine beater too.