Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

[kombatkiwi]

You want to look at this:



So on a card with, say, "Cycling 2", the "cycling cost" is 2. That is the part you get out of paying; you still must pay the rest of the activation cost of the ability, which means you still must discard the card to cycle it.

This seems like the most conclusive statement to me. Nobody has tried to make an infinite with Varolz/Dryad arbor.

[Nonex]

I think if they wanted to make an enchantment that allows you to draw your whole library, they would have come up with a way simpler wording, like that of Enter the Infinite.

Also, if anyone wants details about this one:

https://i.gyazo.com/5b8afc62bb17d0f0...3708b26777.jpg

"If ~ was cast from your hand and you already cast another spell* named ~ this game, you win the game. Otherwise, put ~ into its owner's library seventh from the top and you gain 7 life."

While the current copy must be cast from your hand and must resolve, it doesn't matter where the previous copy was cast from, whether it was countered or not, or even if you're its owner. It also keeps track of the whole game.

*Edit: spell, not card. So a copy of it also works.

[Barook]

Wouldn't that card be a decent alt-wincon for Enchantress? It is cheaper than Emrakul and the mana cost can be split over two turns, if necessary.

The only problem I see is that the first copy can be countered, unlike Emrakul. But you don't have to deal with stuff like creature removal.

I guess it could be a wincon for Omniscience as well.

[Finn]

If the combo on New Perspective does not work, poo on wotc for printing what is obviously poorly worded text on a card. When deciding how to shorten rules text to fit on the card, "does it appear to do something entirely, radically, and gamechanglingly different?" should be pretty close to the top of the checklist for shit to avoid.

[Lord Seth]

If the combo on New Perspective does not work, poo on wotc for printing what is obviously poorly worded text on a card. When deciding how to shorten rules text to fit on the card, "does it appear to do something entirely, radically, and gamechanglingly different?" should be pretty close to the top of the checklist for shit to avoid.

Specifying it as "cycling mana costs" would make it more clear, though it would have a small effect on what it does: It makes it so that cards that have a cycling effect that isn't mana couldn't be used with it. Then again, how many cycling cards does that apply to? I know there's Street Wraith, but is there anything else?

[mistercakes]

Specifying it as "cycling mana costs" would make it more clear, though it would have a small effect on what it does: It makes it so that cards that have a cycling effect that isn't mana couldn't be used with it. Then again, how many cycling cards does that apply to? I know there's Street Wraith, but is there anything else?

just that green cycling rampant growth from future sight. (sac a land)

[Darkenslight]

Seems hilarious.

[MaximumC]

Seems hilarious.

A man can dream.

[Darkenslight]

New card from The Mana Source YT:



[b]Visier of the Menagerie
Creature - Naga Cleric (MR)
You may look at the top card of your library.
You may cast the top card if it's a creature.
Mana may be spent as though it were any color on creature spells you cast.
3/4

[Barook]

GSZ-able, bolt-proof, AD-immune. I like it.

Question is what deck would run it? I don't think it fits into Elves. And it's pretty pricey for Nic Fit/Maverick, although I imagine it plays nicely with SDT/Sylvan Library.

It's also interesting that you don't have to play with your top card revealed.

[mistercakes]

would love to play around with this in a dumb kobold deck, it almost acts as glimpse 5-8 (albeit a high mana cost to start)

[Barook]

would love to play around with this in a dumb kobold deck, it almost acts as glimpse 5-8 (albeit a high mana cost to start)

I thought about Kobolds, too, but isn't that a bit much mana until you hit Cradle?

That said, are there any ways to abuse knowing what's on top of your library?

Edit: I guess KotR + lots of fetches + Library is going to be nice for grindy games.

[Lemnear]

All i see is a Magus of the Future with current creature Power creep rules applied in terms of cost, effect and P/T.

At 4 mana however, I am not even sure it qualifies to adress the weaknesses of most creature decks in the format, which I would boil down to "rebuilding after terminus" and "being fast enough to threaten combo"

[Hopo]

All i see is a Magus of the Future with current creature Power creep rules applied in terms of cost, effect and P/T.

At 4 mana however, I am not even sure it qualifies to adress the weaknesses of most creature decks in the format, which I would boil down to "rebuilding after terminus" and "being fast enough to threaten combo"

At least it dodges Decay, which would be the next rant topic.

[Echelon]

GSZ-able, bolt-proof, AD-immune. I like it.

Question is what deck would run it? I don't think it fits into Elves. And it's pretty pricey for Nic Fit/Maverick, although I imagine it plays nicely with SDT/Sylvan Library.

It's also interesting that you don't have to play with your top card revealed.

It's a Nic Fit card, for sure. Between SDT/Libary/Courser of Kruphix/Tireless Tracker and buttloads of shuffle effects there's quite some potential.

@Lemnear: It does nothing to shore up any of Nic Fits weaknesses whatsoever, but it does improve the flow of the deck in general, allowing Nic Fit to take over the lategame more easily if it goes unanswered.

[bruizar]

It's a Nic Fit card, for sure. Between SDT/Libary/Courser of Kruphix/Tireless Tracker and buttloads of shuffle effects there's quite some potential.

@Lemnear: It does nothing to shore up any of Nic Fits weaknesses whatsoever, but it does improve the flow of the deck in general, allowing Nic Fit to take over the lategame more easily if it goes unanswered.

I would sooner see it in some green MUD that can abuse Metalworker to grind through the top of the deck, keeping actual artifats in hand as to preserve the potence of metalworker. This card sadly enough does not cut it :(

Courser of Kruphixis more widespread because it triggers on lands, gains life and its 1 cc cheaper, yet only sees play in sylvan plug and the occasional nicfit list. Menagerie has the potential to go broken since lands have a 1 per turn limit and creatures do not, but it should have been cheaper to make it relevant imo. I would sooner see oracle of mul daya get played than this... Even azusa, lost but seeking is 3 cc.. With between 20 and 26 lands in decks, the odds of you triggering one of these cards for lands is higher than for creatures...

Draft allstar, perhaps someone in standard wil play it, but otherwise straight to the crap binder.

[Echelon]

Could be funny in Elves! when combined w/ SDT. GSZ/fetch to reset the top card and restart the chain.

The problem is that 4 mana is NO mana though.

[Dice_Box]

I see that and I don't think Legacy, I think Gitrog EDH

[Echelon]

I see that and I don't think Legacy, I think Gitrog EDH

Nic Fit is pretty much Legacy EDH, so that sounds about right.

[Darkenslight]

I see that and I don't think Legacy, I think Gitrog EDH

I'd actually consider it in a 5C theme-deck I'm building around Divinity and Gods. WE also have the wording on Oketra:

Oketra the True
Legendary Creature - God
Double strike, indestructible
~ can't attack or block unless you control three or more other creatures.(?)
: Create a 1/1 white Warrior creature token with vigilance.
3/6