[Deck] TES - The EPIC Storm

[rsaunder]

but one has a CC of 5 and the other of 2, if it is relevant :O

Robert

The deck plays plenty of tutor power, it needs bombs like AdN to win the game rather than set up.

[deviant]

but one has a CC of 5 and the other of 2, if it is relevant :O

Robert

Yes, Ad Nauseam even dodges Spell Snare among all the other shit.

[Dark_Cynic87]

>2 Ad Nauseam = massive life-loss.

I think Manamorphose is quite decent. I've seen at least a couple lists on this thread running it, and I think I will also. These storm lists aren't strictly what someone thinks, they can and are customized to a pilot's playstyle.

Mystical Tutor was put in for the exact reasons you are stated. I think it's needed--my meta is mostly combo (they follow my lead, lol). See the point above.

So, 3-4 Ad Nauseam is fine along with Thoughtseize...Seems painful. Another reason I'm running Mystical Tutors. I will drop an IGG for a second AdN. In FDDT, you really mostly need 2x IGG to combo off that way (you can it with one, but FDDT doesn't string IT's for added storm, which is what I was forgetting about in this list). I will also drop the EtW (I'm not fond of passing the turn after comboing off anyway--Check my sig for the reason).

Are Simian Spirit Guide absolutely necessary? I know they help, but are they necessary?

I'd like to go:
-2 SSG (The lifeloss from AdN seems pointless as they don't help boost your storm count--I'm not sure if the mana they provide is trivial or not...)
-1 EtW

+3 T-Seize//Duress (I've never found creatures to be a big deal. Maybe it's my meta--Testing will show for me which is the better option.)

Testing, testing, testing...meh.

Pce,

--DC

[Bryant Cook]

I just got back to college from a few days away (concert and home). While being home I played Friday Night Magic and playtested the new TES list extensively. I've decided Thoughtsieze has to become Duress. Other than that no changes. Tonight I played in a small event and took 1st. I lost to Dragon Stompy round one, I should've won. Game one I mulled to 5 and won, game 2 Dragon Stompy does what it does, game 2 I open 3 land 2 Petal Nauseum after mulliganing. Not thinking, I just said land, go. It lost me the match. If I had played petal I wouldn't have lost to Turn 1 Magus + Chalice. I then beat Survival (I won through Seize and Teeg on turn 4), Aggro-loam, and Ichorid twice with ease. I've never had sooo many turn 1 wins. Probably half of my games tonight were turn 1 kills. Well that's it for the updates, any questions?

[Aj-capra]

I just got back to college from a few days away (concert and home). While being home I played Friday Night Magic and playtested the new TES list extensively. I've decided Thoughtsieze has to become Duress. Other than that no changes. Tonight I played in a small event and took 1st. I lost to Dragon Stompy round one, I should've won. Game one I mulled to 5 and won, game 2 Dragon Stompy does what it does, game 2 I open 3 land 2 Petal Nauseum after mulliganing. Not thinking, I just said land, go. It lost me the match. If I had played petal I wouldn't have lost to Turn 1 Magus + Chalice. I then beat Survival (I won through Seize and Teeg on turn 4), Aggro-loam, and Ichorid twice with ease. I've never had sooo many turn 1 wins. Probably half of my games tonight were turn 1 kills. Well that's it for the updates, any questions?

Have you change your list or not?
I had testing new tes 8-9 twice only, but ad-n is very very good.
Angel's Grace isn't good in this deck??

I'll play new tes in a tournament next sunday.

[badjuju]

I just got back to college from a few days away (concert and home). While being home I played Friday Night Magic and playtested the new TES list extensively. I've decided Thoughtsieze has to become Duress. Other than that no changes. Tonight I played in a small event and took 1st. I lost to Dragon Stompy round one, I should've won. Game one I mulled to 5 and won, game 2 Dragon Stompy does what it does, game 2 I open 3 land 2 Petal Nauseum after mulliganing. Not thinking, I just said land, go. It lost me the match. If I had played petal I wouldn't have lost to Turn 1 Magus + Chalice. I then beat Survival (I won through Seize and Teeg on turn 4), Aggro-loam, and Ichorid twice with ease. I've never had sooo many turn 1 wins. Probably half of my games tonight were turn 1 kills. Well that's it for the updates, any questions?

Good stuff.
Could you elaborate a bit more on how you won through the Seize + Teeg vs Survival? Was there some Grapeshot action involved?

Also this may have been asked/answered before, but what's your boarding plan vs Chalice/Trinisphere decks?

[kicks_422]

While being home I played Friday Night Magic and playtested the new TES list extensively.

What's your new list? I browsed back a couple of pages and saw one with 4 Ad Nauseams. I thought you were running only 2, so maybe you've made a few more tweaks from that.

[Bryant Cook]

The win against Teeg was he turn one Thoughtseized, Took LED. Turn 2 Bird, Turn 3 Teeg for him. I sat there, in my Draws, I drew, Land, Land, LED. Then on turn 4, I Dark Ritualed x2, Cabal Rit, SSG -> Rite of Flame, LED, Burning Wish, Grapeshot, Infernal Tutor -> win.

Angel's Grace is awful. It's just a win-more card.

as for the decklist... It's the same...The Average CC is 1.25 (Thanks JV).

For reference here's the list I'm using:

Lands
4 Gemstone Mine
4 City of Brass
1 Undiscovered Paradise
1 Forbidden Orchard

Creatures
2 Simian Spirit Guide

Spells
4 Orim’s Chant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Rite of Flame
4 Lion’s Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Burning Wish
4 Brainstorm
4 Ad Nauseum
3 Ponder
3 Chrome Mox
2 Cabal Ritual
2 Duress
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Tendrils of Agony

SB:1 Diminishing Returns
SB:1 Ill-Gotten Gains
SB:1 Cleanfall
SB:1 Tendrils of Agony
SB:1 Empty the Warrens
SB:1 Grapeshot
SB:3 Pyroblast
SB:3 Shattering Spree
SB:3 Vexing Shusher

[J.V.]

Bryant, I've been playing the same list as you almost,
only difference is:
-1 Ad Nauseam
+1 Chrome Mox
but I was just curious what your siding strategy was with current T.E.S. against Aggro-Control?
I've been doing something along these lines:
-2 Cabal Ritual
-2 Chrome Mox
-2 Ponder
+3 Vexing Shusher
+3 Pyroblast

[Bryant Cook]

Bryant, I've been playing the same list as you almost,
only difference is:
-1 Ad Nauseam
+1 Chrome Mox
but I was just curious what your siding strategy was with current T.E.S. against Aggro-Control?
I've been doing something along these lines:
-2 Cabal Ritual
-2 Chrome Mox
-2 Ponder
+3 Vexing Shusher
+3 Pyroblast

It'd probably be...
-3 Ponder
-1 Ad Nauseum (Since I run 4, this may be Mox for you)
-2 SSG

This lowers the average CC of the deck. You need fast mana post Nauseum, and Chrome Mox is the best that we have.

[J.V.]

It'd probably be...
-3 Ponder
-1 Ad Nauseum (Since I run 4, this may be Mox for you)
-2 SSG

This lowers the average CC of the deck. You need fast mana post Nauseum, and Chrome Mox is the best that we have.

Alright thanks Bryant.

[Happy Gilmore]

Tinder Wall has been performing very very well so far in testing. That being said, I believe AN is an improvement, but not a drastic one.

[Bryant Cook]

Tinder Wall has been performing very very well so far in testing. That being said, I believe AN is an improvement, but not a drastic one.

Anwar and I had this discussion already. It slows the deck down, Anwar is running it in place of Cabal Ritual. Cabal Ritual creates BB for Nauseum and can be casts in complement of other mana. Do you honestly think it's reasonable to try and cast R/B/G for a first turn Nauseum? R/B is much more simple and logical. Throwing green mana into discussion seems poor to me. In the rare case that we do have Threshold, the bonus of running Cabal Ritual is that much greater. The two copies of Tinder Wall when you draw them, will most always be better off as Cabal Rituals. Tinder Wall is also terrible with Chrome Mox.

[AnwarA101]

Anwar and I had this discussion already. It slows the deck down, Anwar is running it in place of Cabal Ritual. Cabal Ritual creates BB for Nauseum and can be casts in complement of other mana. Do you honestly think it's reasonable to try and cast R/B/G for a first turn Nauseum? R/B is much more simple and logical. Throwing green mana into discussion seems poor to me. In the rare case that we do have Threshold, the bonus of running Cabal Ritual is that much greater. The two copies of Tinder Wall when you draw them, will most always be better off as Cabal Rituals. Tinder Wall is also terrible with Chrome Mox.

I started fishing the list with 2 Cabal Rituals and it does seem to work like Bryant said. I found that it helps you convert more mana into BB for Ad Nauseam and it is really good off Ad Nauseam as it help you get BB for Tendrils. I like Tinder Wall, but it does complicate the mana situation early in the game and is pretty poor off of Ad Nauseam.

[BigDCool]

I suck at reports and its not like my 2-5 record at the source tourney over the weekend is much to report. However, ill post my list and its not all that much different from the tuned lists Bryant and J.V have posted. Also in my defense I have not been heavily invested in playing tournament level magic since around 2005. After saying that I am also bad at magic.

Lands 10

4 Gemstone mines
4 City of Brass
1 Glimmer Void (could not find an Undiscovered paradise)
1 Forbidden Orchard

Spells 50

4 Dark Rituals
3 Cabal Rituals
4 Rite of Flames
4 Lion's Eye Diamonds
4 Lotus Petals
4 Chrome Mox
4 Burning Wish
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
3 Duress
3 Orim's Chants
4 Brain Storm
3 Mystical Tutors
4 Ad Nauseum
1 Tendrils of Agony

SB:
3 Vexing shusher
3 Pyroblast
2 Echoing Ruin( Only because I was told that Shattering Spree could not be used under a Chalice for 1)
1 Shattering Spree
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Cleanfall
1 Grapeshot
1 Diminishing Returns

All in all the deck preformed very well but its pilot on the other hand had a day full of play errors and miss-steps that cost me more than a few matches that I should have won. Im not sold on mystical I will test more with it and ponder and then decide. I had a great deal of fun at the Sources Tournament and I thank everyone who put in hard work to make it a fun time. Also thanks J.V. for testing with me after the tournament was over it was very helpful. Thats it for my first post here, Ill be lurking around and posting when I have something worthwhile to add.

[badjuju]

2 Echoing Ruin( Only because I was told that Shattering Spree could not be used under a Chalice for 1)

For those unclear, straight from the virtual judge:

Q: I have Chalice of the Void in play with one counter on it. Would Replicated copies of Shattering Spree get through? A friend and I got into an argument over it. I think that if the Shattering Spree gets countered, you can't pay the Replicate cost. He says you can Replicate as much as you want, and it would all go through, similar to Storm.

A: Your friend is correct, Replicate is very similar to the Storm keyword ability. You pay the Replicate cost when you play the Replicate spell, before any other spell or ability can counter your spell. Even if the original spell is countered, the Replicate triggered ability will go on the stack, this ability will create the appropriate number of copies, and the copies will resolve as normal.

Also, grats James Peyton on top 2 (I don't know who that is, but it's J.V.'s list).

[Bryant Cook]

For those unclear, straight from the virtual judge:

Q: I have Chalice of the Void in play with one counter on it. Would Replicated copies of Shattering Spree get through? A friend and I got into an argument over it. I think that if the Shattering Spree gets countered, you can't pay the Replicate cost. He says you can Replicate as much as you want, and it would all go through, similar to Storm.

A: Your friend is correct, Replicate is very similar to the Storm keyword ability. You pay the Replicate cost when you play the Replicate spell, before any other spell or ability can counter your spell. Even if the original spell is countered, the Replicate triggered ability will go on the stack, this ability will create the appropriate number of copies, and the copies will resolve as normal.

Also, grats James Peyton on top 2 (I don't know who that is, but it's J.V.'s list).

This is correct.

Also, the night before the event I cut an Ad Nauseum for a Mox. I was hitting them a lot off of other Nauseums. That morning, James asked me for the changes.

[badjuju]

This is correct.

Also, the night before the event I cut an Ad Nauseum for a Mox. I was hitting them a lot off of other Nauseums. That morning, James asked me for the changes.

How did the tournament go for you? Could you grace us with some matchups, good or bad? Pitfalls, slops, props? How did Ad Nauseum perform?

[J.V.]

Also, grats James Peyton on top 2 (I don't know who that is, but it's J.V.'s list).

That's kinda nifty didn't realize this... Anyways I was going to play it too but ended up switching around 1:00 am before the tournament because Vanele wanted to run my TES deck. Oh well.

[Bryant Cook]

How did the tournament go for you? Could you grace us with some matchups, good or bad? Pitfalls, slops, props? How did Ad Nauseum perform?

I played very poorly. A lot of play mistakes on my part. I'm not going to make any excuses on my part, I played like shit. I ended up being 4-3, pathetic. I lost to goblins (TWICE!) and It's the Fear. Mulliganing into oblivion twice, then play mistakes twice. I feel like if I was paying more attention I would've done much, much better.