I agree with that. The budget version needs probably 2-3 Helms and then something else in the mana department to help feed the combo (Desperate Ritual, Simian Spirit Guide.) It's important to note that Desperate Ritual is actually Dark Ritual with a Medallion/Helm. The budget version will likely lean on Reforge/HUF in a greater way as well.
If nothing else happens, the real breakthroughs for mono-red storm seems to be these:
1) Mana reducers are good, even in legacy
2) Act on Impulse can be a powerful draw spell, especially with LED
3) Past in Flames can carry a deck
4) Red rituals can be as explosive as black rituals
5) Newer cards are pushing the limits for power level to enable fringe decks (Hazoret's Undying Fury)
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
It's hard to tell what the correct budget version is. I think experimenting with this new reduction effect that can fork cards like a ritual/past in flames/wish/hazoret's has some potential.
i think different versions are very metagame dependent. vieko and i are planning on creating a website for this deck and will focus on the intricacies of the different versions and the strengths of card choices for specific metagames.
give us some time for this as we're both rather busy! posting on the source is the easy part!
-rob
You'll never regret picking up a set of LEDs or any other high end Legacy staples. First of all they'll never go down in value, they're an investment. Never feel bad spending money on top end cards. Second, this opens you up to so many other great Legacy combo decks, Belcher, TES, ANT and my favorite Burning Reanimator.
@Mistercakes Looking forward to the primer! I know gimmicky names are whack but this deck needs a cooler name than Ruby Storm.
Btw, my current LED list doesn't run Helm and I haven't missed it. I actually have the entire deck together LEDs, CoT and all. My list runs an extra EtW because not every game do I want extend the combo into a giant Tendrils. More often than not it's easier to just turn one EtW into 8-14 goblins. My budget build is the exact same except -4 LED +2 Helm +2 SSG.
Anyway, here's my current list.
//Win: (6)
4x Burning Wish
2x Empty the Warrens
//Tricks: (15)
4x Act on Impulse
4x Gitaxian Probe
3x Past in Flames
2x Reforge the Soul
1x Hazoret's Undying Fury
1x Gamble
//Ramp: (26)
4x Rite of Flame
2x Desperate Ritual
4x Manamorphose
4x Seething Song
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Lotus Petal
4x Ruby Medallion
//Land: (13)
2x Ancient Tomb
1x City of Traitors
10x Mountain
//Sideboard: (15)
3x Tormod's Crypt
2x Blood Moon
2x Scab-Clan Berserker
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Empty the Warrens
1x Grapeshot
1x Past in Flames
1x Reforge the Soul
1x Shattering Spree
1x Pyroclasm
1x Jokulhaups
Btw, what is everyone's thoughts on Mindbreak Trap in the Scab-Clan sideboard slot?
"WaaaauuugghhhaaaauuugghhhaauuugghhhaaauuugghhhW" -Chewbacca
The original name was mono red storm and everyone on here complained.
-rob
Hah! Well it's no TES but at least it's descriptive. People will bitch either way. Give it a gimmicky name people bitch give it a descriptive name people bitch. I'm more of a fan the old days when gimmicky names were popular like Full English Breakfast, Coco Pebbles, Tools n' Tubbies, Gay Fish, Hulk Smash, Duck Tape, Different Strokes, Bombs over Baghdad etc..
"WaaaauuugghhhaaaauuugghhhaauuugghhhaaauuugghhhW" -Chewbacca
I guess Ruby Red at least has an alliteration.
And your gimmick
-rob
I do like Ruby Red and actually mentioned Ruby Red Storm a few pages back. Not sure if you like RRS or just RS better. Both are awesome!
Naming decks after cereal is a bit played out but there are other options. In particular I was a fan of Miracle Grow which predated Hulk Smash. Old television show titles work well if they can semi identify with what the deck does. In this case there is Gun Smoke, Growing Pains and in particular Orange Is the New Black or even Red Is the New Black. Old video game titles are cool too.
Last edited by Laser Brains; 09-06-2017 at 02:29 PM.
"WaaaauuugghhhaaaauuugghhhaauuugghhhaaauuugghhhW" -Chewbacca
Flaming Hot Cheetos is hilarious! Red Hot Chili Peppers might take the cake though. The deck is awesome and no doubt will take out off, it's your deck though so you get the final say. Perhaps you should take a vote.
"WaaaauuugghhhaaaauuugghhhaauuugghhhaaauuugghhhW" -Chewbacca
Nah it will either be Ruby Storm or mono red storm, whichever domain is available. :)
Vieko gets the last word since he's the web dev.
-rob
Let's focus on making the deck better, and not the name. :)
-rob
Good point but seriously, go with Ruby Red Storm. RRS, it's descriptive and includes both Red Storm and Ruby Storm. As far as making the deck better I think much of it has been fleshed out. Most lists are fairly similar, you just need match up analysis which could take a while.
"WaaaauuugghhhaaaauuugghhhaauuugghhhaaauuugghhhW" -Chewbacca
So here's an idea that vieko and I tested only for a few days when the deck came out.
Reiterate. With 1 rock and seething storm you have infinite storm, with 2 rocks and seething storm you have infinite mana. It's also good if copying hazoret's or other big spells as well as opponents spells.
If you go back in thread you'll also notice that I did try a gifts ungiven package. This is okay, although it does make you weaker to graveyard hate. It guarantees a win with a certain amount of mana pre gifts.
-rob
If you are looking for a non-descriptive name, my vote goes to Uluru (a.k.a Ayer's Rock), which is a huge red rock in Australia and a UNESCO World Heritage site.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uluru
Too much explaining. Also sounds like aluren. Anyway, call it whatever you want. :)
You can call it dickstorm if you want.
I would rather focus on something more productive.
-rob
Is it just me, or is this potentially a ridiculously powerful card (well, more powerful 1-of than HUF) in a non LED budget build with 3-4x Reforge the Soul to keep your hand filled at all times?
Negative: does nothing by itself.
Positive: repeated mini-HUF effect where you get to choose a nonland for free for every spell you cast from hand.
Main issue here is 6 mana with no effect. Could Winn fringe games but I don't think it's reliable enough.
-rob
Dickstorm it is!! Awesome title for an awesome deck! From here on out I shall call it Dickstorm. So bad ass. The Ayer's Rock idea is not bad ass.
Anyway, Reiterate would be a cool trick but without rocks in play it's not that great. Possibly with a complete rebuild of the deck featuring 8 rocks it might have potential. I might toy around with this.
Sunbird's Invocation does look pretty amazing, however it hic-ups your turn unless you've got extra mana when you cast it. It's almost good enough but the deck still operates fine without it. Good suggestion though.
"WaaaauuugghhhaaaauuugghhhaauuugghhhaaauuugghhhW" -Chewbacca
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