Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
Slip + Grief is also worse than Reanimate/Ephemerate + Grief (get extra discard). So maybe it's not worth mixing Scam and Dreadnought. You end up watering down both.
Yeah. I got caught up in the excitement of integrating scam into Dressnought that I overlooked how much worse the interaction is compared to scam. Losing a discard is huge and just makes it no where near as powerful. That plus all the cuts needed to up the black count to enable Grief and it just doesnt seem worth it.

I prefer the nonGrief lists below to a Grief build. They are just better and more consistent…

Bant Dressnought 2024

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Dress Down
4 Force of Will
4 Stifle
2 Slip Out the Back
1 Lorien Revealed
1 Daze

3 Prismatic Ending
4 Swords to Plowshares

4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath
1 Doorkeeper Thrull/Brazen Borrower

3 Wasteland
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Flooded Strand
3 Tropical Island
2 Tundra
1 Karakas
1 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Forest


BUG Dressnought 2024

3 Thoughtseize
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Dress Down
4 Force of Will
4 Stifle
2 Slip Out the Back
1 Daze
1 Witherbloom Command
1 Lorien Revealed
1 Shelodred’s Edict

4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath
3 Orcish Bowmasters
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest

3 Wasteland
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
3 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Forest

//Sideboard:
3 Hydroblast
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Veil of Summer
2 Force of Vigor
1 Pick Your Poison
1 Fatal Push
1 Collector Ouphe
1 Force of Negation