Quote Originally Posted by Illissius View Post
Um. I didn't mean have to like the card mandates it -- even in that case you could just not cast the Manabond. I mean that when you have a hand, like, say, Manabond, Ad Nauseam, and five lands, you can't use the Manabond to accelerate Ad Nauseam. Which is very awkward. You have to either discard the Ad Nauseam, or play lands out one by one. And the latter isn't a realistic option, therefore you discard the Ad Nauseam. That's the sense in which I used "have to".

Ad Nauseam could work in an Eternal Garden kind of shell (with just one or two Manabond so you can cast it following AN), but for a 43lands shell Manabond is integral, so I don't really see it.


And here I obviously meant that even after you discard Scapeshift to Manabond or dredge it with Loam, you can flashback a Recoup (which got into your graveyard in a similar way) to cast it. I'm not sure what could've lead you to that other interpretation. Manabond and Scapeshift/Recoup work together, unlike Manabond and Ad Nauseam, which work against each other. (Again, at the point before you cast the AN. Afterwards obviously Manabond is very good.)
Prolly my bad then if I got things wrong.

Anyway atm either deck (eternal garden like with ad nauseam and 43 lands style) would still be dead against combo. I have not figured out a way to protect against combo without making the deck a lot worse and/or slower. At this point I would like to put this idea in 'sweet idea but only good against noncombo meta games'.