Which is the best monocolored control deck in the format?

[FoulQ]

It always surprising how many 2 ofs and 3 ofs Quinn plays and not just cards that are tutored for either. Many of the 2 ofs and 3 ofs in the deck are rarely if ever tutored for. It's almost an spoken rule that well tuned decks play mostly 4 ofs with an occasional 3 of or two. Yet Quinn barely plays any 4 ofs at all. That seems inconsistent and kind of random.

You shouldn't judge numbers on a list until you have played the deck extensively. Oftentimes, there is intricacies in 2-ofs and 1-ofs that aren't really visible unless you have played with the deck. I hate to reference that ......UW Tempo deck, but the 1-of Knight of the White Orchid is a good example. I don't think you can say that is a spoken rule, particularly in legacy, where games can get pretty swingy pretty fast.

I respect your opinion, but I don't see how your claim can be correct. Just looking at deckcheck.net, even completely discounting all Train Wreck builds which are only very slight variations on MBC, MBC has nearly three times as many top 8 placements on deckcheck as Quinn.

Please do not quote deckcheck as a database of all legacy tournaments. It is good for referencing some lists, but it does not have all the events, and puts on a lot of really small ones nobody cares about as well. If you really want to win a debate through this method, you should look towards the t8s of large tournaments like SGCs and such, of which both these decks have little (or no?) placings, probably because of a combination of difficulty to adapt to and because the decks aren't very strong in the current metagame or in general because of the splashability of legacy, as 4eak mentioned.

First you say that Quinn has the best draw engine. Yet, Phyrexian Arena is clearly the superior draw engine since it's a single card that does all that.

A single card that does all that? What the hell does that mean? Well fuck it, it is clearly the superior draw engine anyways.

If additional card advantage is needed, Promise of Power draws an absurd number of cards. Quinn's draw engine requires two cards and primarily consists of the two card combo of Top + Scrying Sheets. Without both pieces of the engines, it wont provide nearly as much card advantage so Quinn's card advantage is actually less reliable if anything.

Except that top is pretty awesome by itself. And promise of power costs 5 mana, you are calling that reliable?

As for removal, I don't see how you can claim that white has superior removal to black. Both colors are pretty much exactly on par, yes O. Ring is nice but imo Disk is just as good if not better (it costs more but it nukes the whole board) and Quinn doens't have the option to use Disk since the deck is very reliant on permanents. Innocent Blood and Chainer's Edict are imo superior to StP especially since they can get around Shroud and Protection (can kill Progenitus) and Chainer's Edict even recurs. Damnation is on par with Wrath. And if anything, Shriekmaw and Gatekeeper give black an edge in the removal front since they double as both removal and threats.

Ok. Innocent blood and chainer's edict are DEFINITELY not better than swords. I was reading your opinions and rationalizing them in my head, but this makes you lose a lot of credibility. White has better removal than black, because STP is a single card that "does all that"

As for the win conditions, MBC can play Painter's and Grindstone too. It has Beseech to grab both if it wants. But most builds opt not to since black actually has better options for win conditions.

What might those be?

I'll give you that white has some solid silver bullets, but black has it's own advantages, such as Cabal Coffers and black does have silver bullets as well (Disk imo is a fantastic silver bullet). And while E. Tutor is a great tutor, so it Beseech the Queen. Black doesn't mind the higher cc due to the absurd mana that Cabal Coffers generates. And it's awesome that Beseech gets you the card right away and without any card disadvantage.

When did cabal coffers become playable again in legacy?

In my opinion, you should just stay away from mono-colored control decks. They are all pretty bad right now. ...Or try a different format.