Quote Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes View Post
Goddamn some people are digging deep here trying to justify this bullshit.
Was this meant as a response to me? Learn to read, then. I'm not justifying the counterfeits, I'm merely describing reality.


Quote Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes View Post
Anyone who thinks massive counterfeits are good for Legacy in the long run has to be suffering from a serious brain injury.
Stop with this. If you can't discuss things politelly, then maybe don't discuss at all.


Quote Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes View Post
Without collectors, dealers, and players Magic doesn't exist as we know it. WotC's "no/low reprint policy" hurt 1 of those pillars and the likely end result is more counterfeits which then hurts collectors and dealers.
Yes, you're right.


Quote Originally Posted by Lord Seth View Post
But the big problem with that analogy is that the producers still sell tickets for shows to people who want to buy them. For this analogy to work, what would have to happen is that the producers (or whoever are the ones selling tickets) could be making tickets to sell, but they refuse to even though there's still plenty of room (i.e. they're not sold out). So if you want to buy a ticket to a show, you have to find someone who already has a ticket and try to get it from them.

The most relevant analogy I can think of is a company that owns the copyright to a TV series but, after the show went off the air, have refused to provide any actual way to still watch it (e.g. no DVD release, no iTunes download, nothing on Hulu, etc.) despite there being strong demand for it (i.e. we're not talking about some obscure show from 20 years ago or a series that bombed horribly and was canceled after 2 episodes; we're talking about a series that is actually really popular and would sell well if released somehow).
This.


Quote Originally Posted by ESG View Post
I'm with dontbiteitholmes: There are a lot of seriously warped attitudes in this community. If you want something -- whether it's a mountain bike, or a computer, or a piece of power, or a dual land -- but you can't afford it, you save for it. The purchase gains additional meaning because you worked for something; you didn't just snap your fingers and watch it appear. Some people act like they're entitled to cheap duals or a Tier 1 Legacy deck just because they're interested in the format. That's not how it works.

We all came to Magic at different times, but we all came in with nothing. Everybody started at zero and blah blah blah...
...blah, blah, all the while the Chinese factories vomit tonnes of fakes. It definitely isn't helpful to be nostagic about your first Force of Nature and describe how you've built your collection from nothing, when there are economical laws (like the one saying that there where is a demand, there will be supply) that simply don't have a clue of Magic's exclusivity in the world of economics.
Wizards screwed it with the RL, the so-called "tool to protect the collectors", and now it will be mainly the collectors who'd be screwd by RL. Pretty funny, if you dare to ask me. Shame that they wasted ten of thousands of MY money in the process.