Quote Originally Posted by ramanujan View Post
A simple response to your simple question. Use proxies. How many money no proxy tournaments do you attend anyway. The community, as far as I know, could care less if you play casually using proxies (the obvious proxies). You were blatently dismissing the issue of collectibility so that you could point out a problem you are having with having cards to play with. I have 3 words, collectible card game. You may not like it. It may get under your skin. It may even prevent you from playing the deck you want to at a big tournament... but it is a collectible card game.

Another silly point to make. Wizards (or Hasbro, if you like) prints Magic cards. Everyone else prints fakes. Too many people here are treating the two as if they are identical. One has a place in our community. The other is illegal (if done within the US). This isn't prohibition. During the 20s, illegal booze was still booze. This is more akin to fake jewelry. Unfortunately, due to the cohort represented here I doubt that fake jewelry matters too much. When you get married, if you choose to buy jewelry, you expect authenticity. When I buy magic cards, I expect the same level of authenticity.

My opinion is that everyone here should as well. It is a slippery slope if we, as a community, waiver on this.
I don't want fakes, but I acknowledge they exist solely because there is a demand for it. The supplier (Wizards) has ignored that demand. I have to imagine Wizards was smart enough to have seen this day coming, yet they did nothing substantial until M15. Strange.

Also, if the Wizards version of Liliana of the Veil and alibaba's version of Liliana of the Veil are 100% identical (I understand they're currently not, but in time, I think it's safe to assume they'll be indistinguishable from each other), what makes one authentic and the other not? What if I gave you the alibaba version, but told you it was ripped from a pack. How do you authenticate it?