Quote Originally Posted by THATONE View Post
I've been looking into trying out 12 post in legacy for some time now, but I have some questions regarding the deck before I buy into it. Forgive my extreme skepticism, but I want to make sure this deck is the right choice!

I'm a long time Modern Tron player, and I feel like I have impactful plays on turns 3-4 of the game that the Modern meta really has to respect (Karn, Ugin, Ulamog, Oblivion Stones). Just by looking at the 12 post decklists, I'm not sure this is true for the 'equivalent' deck in legacy. Sure with good draws we can show and tell a fattie or cast a big threat early in the first 3-4 turns, but is it as impactful in legacy as a turn 3-4 Karn/Ugin in Modern?

Also, I see people say they do quite well with the deck, but checking mtgtop8 and mtggoldfish I don't see 12post putting up consistent results (actually, it doesn't come up on goldfish at all). Besides the obvious miracles matchup, how does the deck fare against top tier decks in the format? Like grixis delver, storm, infect, etc? I feel like matchups are better against the blade decks but those don't seem as popular. I just don't want to beat on nic fit and miracle decks all day long! Compare this to tron in modern, 95% decks will fear a turn 3 Karn.
Post is both faster and slower than Tron. It's less consistent in getting out a huge threat on turn 3 because so many of our lands come in tapped. But it can also explode much, much bigger than Tron because of Candelabra. You can mulligan and still hardcast Emrakul on turn 3 with the right hand. Where Tron's mana production jumps to 7 and then flattens out (increasing by at most 3 per turn), Post's mana growth is exponential: one land drop can easily jump us by 10 mana (or even a lot more with multiple Candles). Having played my fair share of Tron in Modern, I'd say Post generally starts a little slower but has far more momentum.

Another big difference from Tron is our powerful land toolbox, especially with Crop Rotation. We have a built-in buffer against aggressive decks with Glimmerpost lifegain. We have easy access to silver bullet lands, like Bog, Karakas, Tabernacle, Maze, etc..

Our main land engine is more resilient than Tron, even in a format with Wasteland. Hitting one Cloudpost merely diminishes the rest, as opposed to breaking them entirely like losing a Tron piece. We can also use Crop Rotation as a pseudo-Stifle, and can maindeck Pithing Needles.

Being a bit slower out of the gate simply isn't as much an issue because, where Tron plays more like a combo deck, Post often plays more like a control deck (even the non-blue builds). Post's true strength is its overwhelming inevitability. Every turn the game drags on increases the likelihood of winning. And there are just more ways to stall in Legacy than Modern. Tabernacle punishes decks that go wide (Elves) or have a low land count (Delver). Maze neutralizes decks that want to ride a few midsize threats (Stoneblade, Shardless). Two Mazes and a Candle can keep an army away. We have instant-speed Bojuka Bog or Karakas vs combo. We can afford to be slower.

Once stabilized, we go way over Tron's top end. Post also has access to Karakas, which lets us rebuy casting triggers with the absurd amounts of mana we can make.


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