Quote Originally Posted by .dk View Post
The deck idea originally came from LED/Shallow Grave interactions prior to GP Griselbrand in 2012. After testing those configurations (Tin Fins 1 and 2) with Richard Cheese, it actually didn't even seem like LED was needed - cutting it left room for other useful cards (such as 3 copies of Tendrils and 0 Children of Korlis in that GP list - if only we knew then what we know now!). LED does have some very good uses in the deck though - It's a pretty good IMS after Griselbrand is in play, discard outlet, etc. I did find (albeit not with extensive trials and data collecting like we did a year ago or so) that the fizzle rate was basically 0. However... there are some gotchas.

Making Emrakul gets a lot harder with this build. You need to be conserving your Shallow Graves for that purpose. The other (and larger issue), is that we lose one of the advantages of the standard build in that trying to go off isn't going all-in. One of the things that sets Tin Fins apart from decks like ANT or TES is that if we are disrupted trying to go off, we usually haven't dumped all of our resources into it, so we can easily keep searching and try again relatively quickly due to redundancy in the deck. LED precludes that as you've discarded your hand at that point leaving yourself vulnerable.

Not saying it's bad - just a lot of
Never got around to thanking you about this bit of history on the evolution of the deck and your thoughts on LED.

After playing a lot with LED I've come to agree that the vulnerability isn't worth it after all, even if the raw power of the deck goes up a bit, which I think it does. LED was especially problematic post board, where normal builds can trim some griselbrands and slow down a little for extra disruption. The LED version was maybe a little better pre board, where Tin Fins already shines, and noticeably worse post.

Anyway, thanks again.

Unrelated:: I've only played legacy online up until now, but I just bought the deck and am ready to rock GP Vegas with the Fins!