Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

[Megadeus]

Shadow of the grave + Tog is potentially a lot of fucking damage

[H]

Shadow of the grave + Tog is potentially a lot of fucking damage

Sadly I missed the Dr. Teeth era of Vintage by a bit and while these two together is absurd, I don't think now is the time for three mana dies-to-everything combo,

[Megadeus]

I think there's a way it's not terrible god dammit. This card makes looting effects incredible and those also fill the yard quickly for Dr. Teeth. I'm a fucking brewin boys

[H]

I think there's a way it's not terrible god dammit. This card makes looting effects incredible and those also fill the yard quickly for Dr. Teeth. I'm a fucking brewin boys

Oh, the value is crazy. The problem is removal and chump-blockers, which I'm not sure you can really solve. Maybe with Mother of Runes.

Don't let me hold you back though.

#MakeDrTeethGreatAgain

[Barook]

I.e. Fluctuator. Let's imagine a best case scenario:

Turn 1 - Land (6 cards in hand)
Turn 2 - Land, Fluctuator (5 cards in hand)
Turn 3 - Cycle 3 cards, should get about 2 extra cyclers. Cycle them too. Should get at least one more cycler. Cycle it. You should have cycled about 6 cyclers and have 4 non-cycling cards in hand. Cast Shadow of the Grave. Cycle the 6 cards you discarded. You should get about 3 extra cyclers. Cycle them. Maybe you'll get another cycler. Cycle it. You should have 7 non-cycling cards in your hand at this point and no mana open. I guess the combo is to cast a lotus petal into a dark ritual into another Shadow of the grave that you should have drawn at this point. You at this point cycled 10 cards, cycle them all again. You should draw about 6 other cyclers, cycle them and get 3 more cylcer and then another. Cycle them. You should have about 15 non-cycling cards in your hand at this point and 1 mana open. Repeat the process and draw most of your deck. Using the extra mana from the dark rituals, cast another lotus petal into lab maniac and cycle to win?

So the deck would at the beggining look like:

4 Fluctuator
4 Shadow of the Grave
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
1 Lab Maniac

4 Barren Moor
4 Lands that don't ETBT
9 Cycling Lands
26 Cycling cards

You then fiddle with the numbers. Do you really need 4 shadows, petals or rituals? You only need 36 cylcers, should you get rid of 3? Would that leave room for enlightened tutor? Etc.

However, it seems that even at it's best it's a turn 2-3 combo deck with no protection.

If your deck is mainly lands, wouldn't Treasure Hunt be good?

Still not a fan of playing one win-con without protection.

With that many lands, Mox Diamond should be good as well - mana fixing + accel + getting your lands back anyway. Doesn't play well with Treasure Hunt, though.

[Megadeus]

Oh, the value is crazy. The problem is removal and chump-blockers, which I'm not sure you can really solve. Maybe with Mother of Runes.

Don't let me hold you back though.

#MakeDrTeethGreatAgain

Green Sun for Nylea? Am I doing it right? BUG Fit with Dr. Teeth and Nylea is... a thing

[maharis]

Green Sun for Nylea? Am I doing it right? BUG Fit with Dr. Teeth and Nylea is... a thing

Berserk is the answer you seek

[Barook]

Berserk is the answer you seek

I'd be more concerned with Abrupt Decay.

New land:

[TsumiBand]

Shadow of the grave + Tog is potentially a lot of fucking damage

Man how did I forget about Psychatog? That's good eatin' right there.

It feels like anything where "Discard a card" is the *only* cost for an activated ability should maybe get a second look. Seismic Assault was a good call earlier in the thread

[Megadeus]

Berserk is the answer you seek

BUG Tog
4 Deathrite
4 Tog
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Probe
4 Force
4 Shadow of the Grave
2 Breakthrough
2 Unearth
4 Fatal Push
2 Berserk
4 Careful Study

Did I break the format?

[morgan_coke]

It goes really good with Zombardment too, right? Discard your hand for 2-3 2/2's, get 'em all back. Would also work with Survival if that was legal.

[maharis]

I'd be more concerned with Abrupt Decay.

New land:

If you iggy pop them they have no hand. Or you just start your turn with Autumn's Veil.

Shadow of the Grave definitely makes fluctuator and slide more viable. You can slide your own E-Wit to get Shadow back.

[MaximumC]

I'd be more concerned with Abrupt Decay.

New land:

So this duder is now in Modern, eh?


I wonder what was wrong with just reprinting the original version? Oh well, now we have two.

Combos with Fist of Suns and Etched Monstrosity on turn 6.... ok?

[maharis]

BUG Tog
4 Deathrite
4 Tog
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Probe
4 Force
4 Shadow of the Grave
2 Breakthrough
2 Unearth
4 Fatal Push
2 Berserk
4 Careful Study

Did I break the format?

lol!

Intuition and Snapcaster. A pile of Snap, Unearth and Tog is guaranteed tog next turn. Snap also rebuys shadow. Maybe Jace VP too?

Maybe discard instead of counters for protection, or something like Blossoming Defense.

[Megadeus]

lol!

Intuition and Snapcaster. A pile of Snap, Unearth and Tog is guaranteed tog next turn. Snap also rebuys shadow. Maybe Jace VP too?

Maybe discard instead of counters for protection, or something like Blossoming Defense.

Probably needs another win condition or something. Maybe a Stiflenought variant? Or maybe just Goyf because goyf is a retarded creature.

[filln]

I'd be more concerned with Abrupt Decay.

New land:

Might try slotting this in for fun in Lands alongside Child of Alara or Genju of the Realm...

Can pseudo protect Genju by Wastelanding or Cropping your own land to get the enchantment back.

[PirateKing]

So this duder is now in Modern, eh?


I wonder what was wrong with just reprinting the original version? Oh well, now we have two.

Combos with Fist of Suns and Etched Monstrosity on turn 6.... ok?

This new one is just better though. Indestructible because land destruction isn't fun, but also, this adds 5 mana of any combination of colors, so it'll help you color fix your Cruel Ultimatum or cast Mind Over Matter.

[Cire]

I wonder what was wrong with just reprinting the original version? Oh well, now we have two.

Combos with Fist of Suns and Etched Monstrosity on turn 6.... ok?

Cascading Cataracts + Wind Zendikon + Umbral Mantle + Training Grounds can happen in modern

[maharis]

Probably needs another win condition or something. Maybe a Stiflenought variant? Or maybe just Goyf because goyf is a retarded creature.

4 DRS
3 Snap
3 Tog

4 Push
4 Thoughtseize
4 Shadow
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Duress
2 Intuition
2 Unearth
2 Berserk

21 lands

Value deck with combo finish? I mean you can just exile all your fetches/cantrips to Tog to get the beatz in before you have a HAM turn. Actually, Painful Truths is probably good to load your hand up here, perhaps a 2-2 split with Ponder.

Edit: Wait, thoughtseize, fetches, truths, berserk... Death's Shadow backup plan? Street Wraith/Shadow/reanimate engine... needs more baking.

[Megadeus]

4 DRS
3 Snap
3 Tog

4 Push
4 Thoughtseize
4 Shadow
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Duress
2 Intuition
2 Unearth
2 Berserk

21 lands

Value deck with combo finish? I mean you can just exile all your fetches/cantrips to Tog to get the beatz in before you have a HAM turn. Actually, Painful Truths is probably good to load your hand up here, perhaps a 2-2 split with Ponder.

Edit: Wait, thoughtseize, fetches, truths, berserk... Death's Shadow backup plan? Street Wraith/Shadow/reanimate engine... needs more baking.

Cycle Street Wraith, Shadow it back cycle again. Oh the Value.

4 Deathrite
3 Shadow
3 Tog
2 Snappy
3 Street Wraith

4 Brainstorm
3 Shadow of the Grave
2 Berserk
2 Reanimate
4 Force
3 Careful Study
3 Fatal Push
4 Thoughtseize
1 Dismember