All B/R update speculation.

[Ace/Homebrew]

This thread could just as well be focused on speculating if Legacy is even acknowledged in the Wizards update.

I bet it isn't even mentioned...

It wasn't last time (link).

[Barachai]

Mentor Miracles (the minority of lists) is "softer" control than other Miracles lists. Ponder and Legends Miracles are definitely hard control though.

Midrange/control is a thing, but it's exactly that - midrange/control. I don't like for all the non-combo decks to be balanced mixes of aggressive and controlling elements. That's not diversity.

One small point of contention: Ponder/Legends Miracles are Control/Prison, which is a put-off to some players who prefer their control to lean in the direction of anything-but-prison. Granted, prison often falls under the umbrella of control, but there is no denying that the miracles style of "control" is quite often not the "control" some players are looking for.

Only pointing it out because not every control player out there sees miracles as the deck that saved the control archetype; some consider it an abomination.

[rubblekill]

It finally happened, we are freed from this shit!

[Skyl3lazer]

We did it boys

[Dice_Box]

Time to lose some weight.

[Claymore]

Well hot damn, they actually did something.

I was wrong but I'll take it.

Very surprised they went after Top, I guess the top of the deck design space was getting impacted too much.

[danyul]

Ding dong, the witch is dead.

[H]

Holy shit. I'll gladly eat this plate full of crow.

And Probe and Gush for Vintage. Hot damn.

[LegacyIsAnEternalFormat]

Fine, they banned SDT, was hoping they banned Terminus because SDT is played in some tier 2 decks that will take a hit with this announcement. Unfortunately no unbans.

[Crimhead]

One small point of contention: Ponder/Legends Miracles are Control/Prison, which is a put-off to some players who prefer their control to lean in the direction of anything-but-prison. Granted, prison often falls under the umbrella of control, but there is no denying that the miracles style of "control" is quite often not the "control" some players are looking for.

Only pointing it out because not every control player out there sees miracles as the deck that saved the control archetype; some consider it an abomination.

This is definitely a point of contention. I would concede that Miracles is prisonesque, but unlike traditional prison it is permission based control; and reactive (not proactive like traditional prison) in the sense that they need mana + Top activation to get value out of CB. This can be baited and played around to "pushed through" just like counter-spells.

To me Miracles is more like a traditional Draw-Go deck than a prison deck like Stasis or Stax.

But I agree this is contentious.

Edit - wow!

[Skyl3lazer]

Gotta say I wish that it was CB or Terminus that ate this ban over Top, but at least something went.

[Julian23]

sic semper tyrannis

[bruizar]

fuck, what will happen to this thread? Now we only have brainstorm left to complain about!

[UnderwaterGuy]

Rest in peace, control. Midrange crybabies have taken over their final format.

All creatures, all the time, in every format.

[rubblekill]

Fine, they banned SDT, was hoping they banned Terminus because SDT is played in some tier 2 decks that will take a hit with this announcement. Unfortunately no unbans.

If anything those tier 2 decks are gonna benefit more from this than a terminus ban. Because now terminus is unplayable as well?

[Crimhead]

sic semper tyrannis

Obit anus, abit onus?

[Spam]

Well, top is gone. Long live the new king!
On a more serious note, they're looking closely at gitaxian.

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[Crimhead]

fuck, what will happen to this thread? Now we only have brainstorm left to complain about!

CotV?

[lavafrogg]

Never again do I have to watch someone Top for 30 seconds, twice a turn!

[CutthroatCasual]

It finally happened, we are freed from this shit!

Enjoy Modern.