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    Is it much worse? I actually think it's one of the better cards in the set (not for Legacy, but for Standard and potentially Modern). If it just triggered on cycling, I'd be right there with you. However, since it triggers on cycling OR discard, I think it could be part of some sort of engine deck. Again - not advocating this for Legacy, but there's starting to be a critical mass of effects that could make for a deck in Modern. Seismic Assault, Faith of the Devoted, Molten Vortex + Shadow of the Grave.

    It's dramatically worse than Lightning Rift. Which is better, Lightning Bolt or Lava Spike? Hitting your opponent with Rift was often one of the worse plays you could make with it since clearing creatures was always better, and you only used to on your opponent to end the game. Going from 2 mana to 3 is also huge.

    People are overplaying the "on Discard" angle on cards cost mana to activate. For example, triggering twice off of Thirst for Knowledge or Compulsive Research is 5 mana. That's a LOT to spend on something that doesn't affect the board at all. It doesn't see any play until you've maxed out your Drake Roosts, then you've got to ask yourself if you want more than four cards in your deck that do nothing when cast and cost 3 mana.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    God my fingers are crossed they specified both both cycle and discard because there's some enchantment coming that says "When you cycle a card, put in on the bottom of your library instead of your graveyard"
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    God my fingers are crossed they specified both both cycle and discard because there's some enchantment coming that says "When you cycle a card, put in on the bottom of your library instead of your graveyard"
    Wheel of Sun and Moon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Wait a gosh darn minute.

    I think you've stumbled upon a functional effect of "discard or cycle." It's not just reminder text. This means that Amonkhet cards like this work despite Anafenza, the Foremost or Leyline of the Void? Is... is this breakable?


    Also, did you know that Cleansing Meditation is a card? Works pretty well with all of the "ETB trigger" enchantments in Amonkhet huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximumC View Post
    Wait a gosh darn minute.

    I think you've stumbled upon a functional effect of "discard or cycle." It's not just reminder text. ...
    I'm pretty sure, it's still discard. You can discard to exile (madness) or discard to the top of the library (Library of Leng) too.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    I'm pretty sure, it's still discard. You can discard to exile (madness) or discard to the top of the library (Library of Leng) too.
    If you discard a madness card, discard it into exile, cast it for its madness cost, and it ends up in the grave, then cast shadow of the grave, do you return it to your hand since it was a card that was discarded that turn, even if it changed zones twice since being discarded?

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Looks like the MTGO team decided to undo the mess the design team has done. Crazy, I know:

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    I wonder if the "non-Legendary" clause on Lay Bare the Heart might be a hint that Ixalan might be an attempt at Kamigawa 2.0, some fashion of "Legendary Matters."
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    If you discard a madness card, discard it into exile, cast it for its madness cost, and it ends up in the grave, then cast shadow of the grave, do you return it to your hand since it was a card that was discarded that turn, even if it changed zones twice since being discarded?
    No. It becomes a different object when it changes zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Looks like the MTGO team decided to undo the mess the design team has done.
    NOOO! What have they done to ?IBORTOTHEGLORCFCEBI??
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    NOOO! What have they done to ?IBORTOTHEGLORCFCEBI??
    I wonder what those look like to people who use Greek or Cyrillic regularly. Some of those characters look a lot like П, Д , or Я to me.

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    Hilarious. If you want proof that your design concept is a freakin' mess, ask the MTGO folks first. Textless cards were easier to read that these abominations.

    DISCLAIMER: I still like that you made these abominations Wizards thank you.

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    Doesn't look half bad with a nice black border around the card.
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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    I wonder what those look like to people who use Greek or Cyrillic regularly. Some of those characters look a lot like П, Д , or Я to me.
    I'm in the awkward position of knowing only about 20 words of (ancient) Greek and no Russian yet being able to read the alphabets in both. I had a similar thought about the Invocations; the early previews were so tough on the eyes I couldn't tell whether they were supposed to be Latin characters, so I can only imagine what they'll look like to people who don't use the Latin alphabet.

    With the degree to which that graphic design is a trainwreck, something tells me they've made at least one mistake of "ɅMIHAZORETTHEPERVERTI" proportions in the foreign markets.
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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    This seems pretty decent.
    It's debatable against Shattering Spree. Spree isn't easily countered, but is Red heavy.
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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    I wonder if the "non-Legendary" clause on Lay Bare the Heart might be a hint that Ixalan might be an attempt at Kamigawa 2.0, some fashion of "Legendary Matters."
    It's because of the Gods.
    Ixalan is probably the Atlantean Mesoamerican theme with pirates.
    I doubt there will be a "legendary matters" set ever again, because it doesn't make much sense.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

    In other news, Glorybringer is a useful card in Limited.
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    In other news, Glorybringer is a useful card in Limited.
    As are Archfiend of Ifnir and Liliana's Mastery. They are bombs.

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    Re: Amonkhet, a new Plane for the next Block

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    In other news, Glorybringer is a useful card in Limited.
    Who would have thought that bombs are good in Limited?

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    What happened on this card? Finally not released? Why?

    Amonketh release notes.

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