[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[Scott]

In a vaccuum, Nevermore. Naming Tendrils of Agony game 1 will typically result in an instant concession, and Infernal Tutor games 2 and/or 3 will usually put you in a pretty good position.
Rest in Peace is annoying, but typically ANT players prepare for facing grave hate after game 1 (often siding out 1 copy of Past in Flames and other cards that are graveyard reliant, such as Dark Petition, and in some cases 1 copy of Cabal Ritual in grindier matchups). Naming Infernal Tutor, on the other hand, makes an ANT player have to find an answer, or find Ad Nauseam/Empty the Warrens and hope to get there.

Excellent, thanks. Very helpful insight.

[H]

Why not have your Lurrus with a side of Storm?

Surfinbird19's 6-0 Legacy Challenge deck:

3 Duress
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Past in Flames
4 Ponder
3 Preordain
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Thoughtseize
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual


4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
2 Urza's Bauble
1 Wishclaw Talisman


1 Badlands
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island

Sideboard
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Bayou
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
1 Flusterstorm
2 Goblin Cratermaker
1 Hope of Ghirapur
1 Lurrus of the Dream Den
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Veil of Summer
1 Xantid Swarm


Free Storm off Lurrus plus LED, not to mention that it could block or get you back earlier used Artifact mana. Why not?

[ScottW]

Why not have your Lurrus with a side of Storm?

Surfinbird19's [url=https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2982944]Free Storm off Lurrus plus LED, not to mention that it could block or get you back earlier used Artifact mana. Why not?

I'm glad this was short lived. Haven't played paper in so long my deck still has underworld breach. Anyone here still play ANT and have an interesting list or card inclusions to share? I've still been playing a grim tutor now with wishclaw, which I like for flexibility.

[FTW]

Lurrus Storm was just dumb, like most Lurrus decks. Glad it's banned.

I think TES is stronger than ANT right now. The popularity of Veil and Oko decks makes the protection suite of Thoughtseize+Duress worse than Veil+Grid. Graveyard decks are popular now, so there is a lot of grave hate, which weakens Cabal Ritual+PiF vs Rite of Flame+Echo of Eons.

[ScottW]

I think TES is stronger than ANT right now.

I don't care about this at all. Was curious about ANT decklists and card choices. I really enjoy playing ANT and would even if I wasn't satisfied with my win rate. Thankfully, I am.

[FTW]

This was 5th place in the recent MTGO Legacy Challenge.
https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=27601&d=419299&f=LE

It borrows some tools from TES: Veil of Summer and more copies of Wishclaw Talisman, with Grids and Carpet in the SB

[Miscanthus]

Does anybody still follow this deck here?

Just wondering if anybody has tried out the new legacy legal Unfinity card Pair-O-Dice lost?
I dismissed it at first, but tried practicing around with it a little bit, and it has been stronger than expected as a potential supplement to (or even replacement for) Past in Flames. I also saw someone recently did well at a tournament with it on mtgtop8.com.

Thoughts?

[PirateKing]

I was keeping an eye out for someone to report findings here, sure.
TOGIT went out of business, so I'm without a store that does weekly Legacy to offer any feedback myself.
Card did catch my eye for sure though.

[CabalTherapy]

Does anybody still follow this deck here?

Just wondering if anybody has tried out the new legacy legal Unfinity card Pair-O-Dice lost?
I dismissed it at first, but tried practicing around with it a little bit, and it has been stronger than expected as a potential supplement to (or even replacement for) Past in Flames. I also saw someone recently did well at a tournament with it on mtgtop8.com.

Thoughts?

Most dudes are on discord nowadays, even though I enjoyed it here more.
There's a possibility to play BUG storm with Pair and Living Wish for Aeve and Boseiju + Kaheera SB with Force of Vigor. Quite the tech.

[PirateKing]

Kept a turn 1 hand:
Misty Rainforest
Thoughtseize
Lotus Petal
Lotus Petal
Lion's Eye Diamond
Dark Ritual
Infernal Tutor
Won after stripping their Force with Pair o' Dice Lost deterministically.
Would not have been able to with Past in Flames and while high likelihood Ad Nauseam would have delivered, that is not guaranteed.
Really liking how it's turned the deck into more reliable run flex slots like maindeck Sylvan Library without being a huge liability on the mana base.

[FTW]

What did you roll?
1+1 would leave you 1 mana short for Tendrils I think, but literally anything else (35/36=97%) returns Ritual for IT + 5 mana. Ad Naus must have a lower success rate.

[PirateKing]

What did you roll?
1+1 would leave you 1 mana short for Tendrils I think, but literally anything else (35/36=97%) returns Ritual for IT + 5 mana. Ad Naus must have a lower success rate.

You're right, but the roll was 6+2, not quite deterministic as I said.
But turning back on the artifacts for both storm & mana does make for much more dangerous hands in general.
Only downside is if we fall back into a Miracles control meta where casting PiF on flashback is the plan B to beat countermagic

[Asthereal]

Is this forum still in use?

I'm super behind but I saw the card Solve the Equation that caught my fancy.
Should be a nice replacement in the classic list from 700 years ago that ran a $200 Grim Tutor before it got reprinted.
(Meantime Probe got printed and then banned but whatever LOL.)

Was thinking about something like this:
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Bloodstained Mire /14

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Preordain
4 Infernal Tutor
2 Solve the Equation
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ad Nauseam /20

4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
3 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual /19

4 Duress
3 Thoughtseize /7

[PirateKing]

Spell based combo decks are in a tough spot right now, I think only Doomsday is still represented (if you can even call that spell based)
Using the first 2-3 turns to sculpt a hand and build towards enough resources for a send is so much harder now, you'll find yourself interrupted or countered or just straight up dead before you're ready to combo.

I think for the cost, Wishclaw Talisman is a better card than Solve the Equation

[Asthereal]

Spell based combo decks are in a tough spot right now, I think only Doomsday is still represented (if you can even call that spell based)
Using the first 2-3 turns to sculpt a hand and build towards enough resources for a send is so much harder now, you'll find yourself interrupted or countered or just straight up dead before you're ready to combo.

I think for the cost, Wishclaw Talisman is a better card than Solve the Equation

Yeah I have no idea about the Legacy meta right now. Decks to beat here are over a year old and weren't up to date back then anyway.
Where does everyone go these days for discusions on Legacy? Or is competitive Legacy finally so expensive everyone and their mom had to bail?

OT: I personally am not a big fan of the Wishclaw, as I can't use it willy nilly to find a random card.
Giving my opponent a one mana Demonic Tutor seems scary. Solve at least allows me to find a Duress or CabRit when I need one.
I might just be old and senile though.

[PirateKing]

Everything is on Discord now, but it's splintered and scattered across so many servers and every place has it's own decorum and formatting.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=1&gid=0#gid=0
Here's the best resource to find whatever specific deck you want to discuss.

Maybe it's because I'm old and have been at this game for a long time, but reading some of these discords, man it makes me feel unjustly qualified in the format.
Like I always felt really green compared to my peers here at The Source, but listening to people debate Stock Up versus Divination in the Legacy discord isn't something I would expect in 2025

[Asthereal]

Everything is on Discord now, but it's splintered and scattered across so many servers and every place has it's own decorum and formatting.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=1&gid=0#gid=0
Here's the best resource to find whatever specific deck you want to discuss.

Maybe it's because I'm old and have been at this game for a long time, but reading some of these discords, man it makes me feel unjustly qualified in the format.
Like I always felt really green compared to my peers here at The Source, but listening to people debate Stock Up versus Divination in the Legacy discord isn't something I would expect in 2025

Wow thanks! That's a great overview.

And eh... I vote Stock Up.