I'm also preferring the green splash.
I was expecting much from Lowryn, especially black goblins, but I'm a bit dissapointed...
@ Nickrit: what's your G/R build? And your R/B?
Originally Posted by Drossie
I have listed my 2 builds down below. I don't pretend that they are perfect builds with the most optimal sideboards, but I have done well with them. It is goblins after all, and they do win against a lot of matchups.
R/g Vial Goblins
5 Mountain
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
3 Rishadan Port
3 Taiga
4 Aether Vial
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
2 Siege-Gang Commander
2 Tin Street Hooligan
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
SB
4 Pyrokinesis
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Krosan Grip
2 Tranquil Domain
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Goblin King
R/b Vial Goblins
5 Mountain
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
3 Rishadan Port
3 Badlands
4 Aether Vial
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Gempalm Incinerator
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Seige-Gang Commander
SB
4 Tormod's Crypt
3 Pyrokinesis
3 Dralnu’s Crusade
3 Smother
1 Goblin King
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
~Shriek~
Your R/G List is almost identical to mine (I don't run Sharpshooters and do run Pithing Needle in board), and so to raise this debate from the dead for the 8 billionth time, what's Sharpshooter buy us again?
Versatility and combat tricks. He's also stupid good in the mirror.
I would also like to add the following: He's also stupid good against survival.
He has won me a lot of games against survival which is always very popular over here in Syracuse.
~Shriek~
Has anyone considered playing 3 or 4 Oversold Cemetary in the SB of the RB version. With the Terapies and the Incinerator they seems to be not that bad, theorically. They're CA provider and with Gempalm they give you a nice tool for board control. ;)
I also confess that I wanna drop the LD package and go with 4 Therapies 4 Thoughtseize in the MD, just for kicks (and some testing, too). Other Lowryn Goblins inclusion are options as well.
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Why/how is goblins out of the DTB forum???
According to the current set of guidelines for determining status in the DTB forum, Goblins has not met the current requirements. It barely held on last month, and this months batch of tournaments didn't have enough Gobbie top 8's to qualify, thus it was moved to ED until it meets the requirements again.
There is a thread in community disucssing LMF guidelines and what they should be and what the LMF group of decks should look like, if you wish to read through it and participate in the conversation there. At the moment, however, goblins does not qualify for DTB status.
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My build is very similar:
4X Goblin Piledriver
4X Goblin Ringleader
4X Gempalm Incinerator
4X Goblin Lackey
4X Goblin Matron
4X Goblin Warchief
3X Mogg Fanatic
2X Siege-Gang Commander
2X Tin Street Hooligan
1X Goblin Sharpshooter
1X Kiki, Jiki
1X Stingscourger
4X Æther Vial
4X Mountain
3X Wooded Foothills
4X Taiga
3X Bloodstained Mire
4X Rishadan Port
4X Wasteland
// sideboard
4X Tormod’s Crypt
4X Krosan Grip
3X Chalice of the Void
3X Pyrokinesis
Sideboard needs some changements. I have 3 Pithing Needles now, they will replace the chalices I think.
No one replies anymore? Goblins are really dead?
Well, basically everyone is running the same few goblins, and the same few non-goblins for either of the various types of Vial Goblin. (R/G, R/W, Mono Red, R/B, and R/W/G) Only difference is people just have a few cards difference. (Not to mention that Goblins have been around for what feels like forever)
Pithing Needle has different functions than Chalice of the Void.
I always have Chalice of the Void in my Sideboard because it is so insanely good.
However, there are probably situations that Pithing Needle are better. (Which depends on your metagame) Without knowing what is your metagame, we can't really decide what is the best sideboard for you. If you know your metagame, you can most likely come up with a pretty good sideboard yourself.
Yup - but everybody still packs hate for them in the sideboard. its kinda like old war veterans twitching during an Independence Day celebration.
What about this build? Source: http://www.starcitygames.com/php/new...cle/14902.html
R/B Goblins
Maindeck:
4 Aether Vial
4 Thorn Of Amethyst
4 Boggart Mob
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Warchief
1 Siege-gang Commander
3 Wort, Boggart Auntie
5 Mountain
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 City Of Traitors
4 Wasteland
4 Wooded Foothills
Sideboard:
3 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Dralnu's Crusade
4 Leyline Of The Void
4 Cabal Therapy
Comments on my build?
My build is very similar:
4X Goblin Piledriver
4X Goblin Ringleader
4X Gempalm Incinerator
4X Goblin Lackey
4X Goblin Matron
4X Goblin Warchief
3X Mogg Fanatic
2X Siege-Gang Commander
1X Tin Street Hooligan
1X Goblin Sharpshooter
4X Æther Vial
3X Thorn of Amethyst
4X Mountain
3X Wooded Foothills
4X Taiga
3X Bloodstained Mire
4X Rishadan Port
4X Wasteland
// sideboard
3X Tormod’s Crypt
4X Krosan Grip
4X Pithing Needle
3X Pyrokinesis
1X Goblin King
I think as of right now, Goblins shouldn't be maindecking extra removal out of Incinerator and Fanatic. Just take the 4 Waste + 4 Port plan, fill out the manabase, add 4 Thorns and 4 Vials, then round the deck out with Goblins.
Running 8 artifacts MD might make running Hooligan a bad idea, if a splash is needed at all.
Do you know that you can choose not to pay G in order not to be forced to destroy an artifact ? Or simply vial it, lackey it, etc...
My new list:
// Lands
4 Wasteland
4 Rishadan Port
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Mountain
3 Wooded Foothills
2 Badlands
2 Taiga
// Creatures
4 Goblin Matron
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
3 Gempalm Incinerator
2 Siege-Gang Commander
2 Goblin Piledriver
1 Tin Street Hooligan
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Stingscourger
1 Goblin Tinkerer
// Spells
4 AEther Vial
4 Thorn of Amethyst
// Sideboard
SB: 4 Cabal Therapy
SB: 2 Tranquil Domain
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 3 Meekstone
SB: 3 Smother/Snuff Out/Terminate
What Removal will be the best in the side? I think Terminate, cause its the one that kills the most creatures, but 2 colored mana is sometimes a problem...
Other tips?
Wort, Boggart Auntie? For after mass destruction? Ore some other Lorwyn goblin?
Mvg
*Team Haste!*
Whoops, my bad.
Though I have to ask, is there really a point to splashing a color nowadays? Engineered Plagues are getting run less, and combo can be already be answered by Thorns/Pillars/Crypts, with removal in Pyrokineses.
Bidding.
Ask Mike.
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