[Deck] Dragon Stompy

[Tacosnape]

Dear God, what is this degenerating into?

Silent Arbiter is an awful idea. Awful awful awful. You are Dragon Stompy. You are aggro by every definition of the word. You win games by swinging with large numbers of large creatures. You do not win games by running 1/5 creatures that keep you from swinging.

Faerie Stompy might get away with this guy because most of its attackers have flying and therefore it can afford to play a slower game due to evasion. Hell, you might find some deck that uses SA with Doran. But it does not belong in Dragon Stompy in any way whatsoever.

Silent Arbiter isn't red. It doesn't kill your opponent. And it doesn't fix your manabase. And it doesn't provide nearly enough disruption to warrant not doing any of these things. It's trash.

Quick note:

Razormane Masticore fucks you up -> you dont have hellbent with it in play, since you need to always keep 1 card for your upkeep..

Everybody read this. Seriously. Hightower is 100% exactly right.

It's been mentioned about fifteen times in this thread. Razormane Masticore is eliminated from being played by the presence of Gathan Raiders and Rakdos Pit Dragon, who highly prefer you go into an attack step with no cards in hand. Razormane Masticore dies next turn if you ever do this. Razormane isn't as good as Gathan Raiders. No threat in the deck is as good as Gathan Raiders. Therefore if Gathan Raiders says Razormane can't be on the team, which it does, Razormane can't be on the team.

[mercenarybdu]

Here is my current plan for my version....

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
12 Mountain

4 Tarox (5)
4 Arc-Slogger (5)
4 Pit Dragon (4)
4 Magus of the Moon (3)
4 Spirit Guide (3)
3 Rorix (6)

4 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void (XX)
2 Sword of Fire and Ice (3)
3 Trinisphere (3)
4 Seething Song (3)

SB
TBD

....I also posted up all of the converted mana costs for all the cards as the similes put too much of a cap on how many I could put up at once.

[DrewliusMaximus]

I want to apologize if my AWFUL thought about Silent Arbiter offended anybody. While I am tempted to respond angrily to a certain post, I am aware that some people define themselves exclusively through collectible card games and thus need to say stupid things to feel important. At least these people sometimes come up with good deck ideas, so I guess they do serve ONE purpose in this world.

[Phantom]

I want to apologize if my AWFUL thought about Silent Arbiter offended anybody. While I am tempted to respond angrily to a certain post, I am aware that some people define themselves exclusively through collectible card games and thus need to say stupid things to feel important. At least these people sometimes come up with good deck ideas, so I guess they do serve ONE purpose in this world.

Why would you be angry? I don't think anyone attacked you personally, just the merits of your ideas. If you disagree, defend the idea. If you don't, then let's move on. If you want to avoid this in the future, play the deck a ton and come up with quality posts with interesting ideas, detailed thoughts on what it will replace and what purpose it will serve.

[mercenarybdu]

I want to apologize if my AWFUL thought about Silent Arbiter offended anybody. While I am tempted to respond angrily to a certain post, I am aware that some people define themselves exclusively through collectible card games and thus need to say stupid things to feel important. At least these people sometimes come up with good deck ideas, so I guess they do serve ONE purpose in this world.

Everyone has their opinions and there is no offense about them dude but as long as it doesn't start a flame war it is all kool.

[scrumdogg]

Here is my current plan for my version....

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
12 Mountain

4 Tarox (5)
4 Arc-Slogger (5)
4 Pit Dragon (4)
4 Magus of the Moon (3)
4 Spirit Guide (3)
3 Rorix (6)

4 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void (XX)
2 Sword of Fire and Ice (3)
3 Trinisphere (3)
4 Seething Song (3)

SB
TBD

....I also posted up all of the converted mana costs for all the cards as the similes put too much of a cap on how many I could put up at once.

You've jacked your average CC through the roof while cutting the disruption? I'm at a loss to see how this improves the deck as it interferes with the basic plan to quickly drop a piece of disruption & a fat guy & beat while the opponent flounders. You are more than able to play this build (or any build or any deck that you choose) but please explain why any of the rest of us should?

[Michael Keller]

3 Rorix (6).

Wouldn't Covetous Dragon be a much better choice - especially off Seething Song? Seems no one likes him because of his condition, perhaps? I think he's a monster early or late game.

[Filipinho]

I don't think Covetous Dragon is needed, but if you do, please add Great Furnace.

[Michael Keller]

...please add Great Furnace.

So his mana-base can be more susceptible to Wasteland and artifact hate while he has 3Sphere on the board and losing the City of Traitors to other lands? There's no need for Furnace - at all. The base is solid as it is.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

As I've said on the Salvation fourms;

...it [Covetous Dragon] should not be run. You shouldn't open your self into card disadvantage so easily in a deck that overextends. Raiders and Dragons are exceptions due to their sheer power.

[Michael Keller]

As I've said on the Salvation fourms;
You shouldn't open your self into card disadvantage so easily in a deck that overextends.

Okay, so what you're saying is: Overextend your resources (assuming a Covetous Dragon is on the table), because that is how the deck plays. You should have an ample amount of artifacts on the table to prevent that from being sacrificed - it just won't happen. Plus, if someone is going to StP it, they'd better do it or pretty much lose. Otherwise, I don't see you having anything to lose, especially if you drop Chalice for one TURN one.

Turn One: Ancient Tomb, Chalice for One.
Turn Two: Mountain/Mox, Ancient Tomb, Seething Song, Dragon.

You put your opponent in a predicament where now they have to Force it through your Chalice for one - stopping Swords. And you're sitting there with a 6/5 flying creature. That is generally GG if they don't have it.

[Phantom]

Turning Krosan Grips into 2-for-1's and Ancient Grudges into 3-for-1's isn't what this deck wants. Plus, we are in NO WAY looking for more 5 drops, so he would have to take Sloggers spot, and that's not about to happen.

I would probably play him over Rorix, but Rorix is complete crap here, and no one should run him. We have, you know, three GOOD creatures vying for basically 1.5 slots, so why run hard to cast bad ones?

[Michael Keller]

Turning Krosan Grips into 2-for-1's and Ancient Grudges into 3-for-1's isn't what this deck wants. Plus, we are in NO WAY looking for more 5 drops, so he would have to take Sloggers spot, and that's not about to happen.

I would probably play him over Rorix, but Rorix is complete crap here, and no one should run him. We have, you know, three GOOD creatures vying for basically 1.5 slots, so why run hard to cast bad ones?

1.) You run 13 artifacts. You won't turn those cards into 2 or 3 for ones - that I can promise you.

2.) By the time someone actually has mana for a Grip - you should have an established threat on the board with counter-active backup. I wouldn't concern myself too much with that. Perhaps the deck needs more artifacts. Anyways, for a deck that calls itself "Dragon Stompy", I can't see how you can't find a way to fit him in there - because he is that good here. Try him out.

[mercenarybdu]

I don't think Covetous Dragon is needed, but if you do, please add Great Furnace.

Perhaps we could go in that direction since I do have some spare set of Great Furnace on hand. But then I would lose haste and leave myself wide open for my opponent to get ideas with his Krosan Grips and other undesirables.

[Phantom]

1.) You run 13 artifacts. You won't turn those cards into 2 or 3 for ones - that I can promise you.

2.) By the time someone actually has mana for a Grip - you should have an established threat on the board with counter-active backup. I wouldn't concern myself too much with that. Perhaps the deck needs more artifacts. Anyways, for a deck that calls itself "Dragon Stompy", I can't see how you can't find a way to fit him in there - because he is that good here. Try him out.

I have. Trust ME, it's not great. Or that is to say, it's too often terrible. The deck is already volitile, why add more inconsistency while not adding much power? There are times I want to pump out a creature on turn one with Song (think Goblins). Dragon can't do that. There are times when I can't stick an artifact and I have to resolve a creature. Dragon can't do that. There are times when I want to play the creature before I play the equipment. Dragon can't do that. There ARE going to be plenty of times you turn Grip and Grudge into card advantage. 13 artifacts doesn't always translate into three on the board. You know what Thresh likes to do? They like to counter our artifacts. Goblins? Tutor up some Hooligans and board in Grip. Loam? Buning Wish -> Shattering Spree -> good game.

This was a suggestion from the very beggining of the deck and i have tested it at all turns. IT IS NOT in any way beytter than Slogger, or pit Dragon, and there is no way I'm cutting a 3cc creature for a 5cc risky one.

[savemysoul]

mercenarybdu loose Tarox and Rorix and add Blood moon, jitte and raiders.

[Tacosnape]

Covetous Dragon's decent, but incredibly risky. The upside of Covetous Dragon's pretty obvious. It has a power of 6 and it flies.

The problem with Covetous Dragon is that destroying Dragon Stompy's artifacts seriously hurts you anyway. Losing a Chalice is generally big, as is losing a Chrome Mox. You'd pick up some artifacts from Great Furnace, sure, but losing the red source would hurt here too. The only artifact you can sometimes afford to lose is a Jitte. (Or a Trinisphere, if you run them.)

This makes any and all artifact destruction very strong against DS. Despite what people may tell you, it isn't all that strong against DS otherwise.

Also, I might add that Pernicious Deed for 0 is usually enough to sweep all your artifacts, meaning it's incredibly effective at getting Covetous Dragon off the board.

[TrialByFire]

I love how every other post in this thread is some random dude suggesting another god-awful card on the basis of because they THINK it will be good, but actually have no ACTUAL testing to back it up. And if they do, said testing suceeds in PROVING the card is god-awful.

Seriously, Tacosnape knows whats up. Stop doubting him.

[mercenarybdu]

mercenarybdu loose Tarox and Rorix and add Blood moon, jitte and raiders.

The T2 players in my area have already driven up the price of Blood Moon to $7 a card after CA sales tax and I didn't find Jitte effective.

Raiders were alright but they're still on my table in the event I need to switch part of the plan back.

[Dilettante]

The T2 players in my area have already driven up the price of Blood Moon to $7 a card after CA sales tax and I didn't find Jitte effective.

Raiders were alright but they're still on my table in the event I need to switch part of the plan back.

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