Shadowmoor Info

[Nihil Credo]

Can TES/Belcher still go off with a (coloured) Sphere of Resistance in play? Because if they can't, Shusher isn't a real out to Counterbalance/Chalice.

[Dilettante]

Can TES/Belcher still go off with a (coloured) Sphere of Resistance in play? Because if they can't, Shusher isn't a real out to Counterbalance/Chalice.

*blink* I... don't understand. When's the last time you saw Sphere with CB/Chalice? Two out of three, I've seen yes... but never those in tandem. My train of logic... does not follow...

I'm not as familiar with Belcher...

TES... Burning Wishes for Shattering Spree.

[Arsenal]

Can TES/Belcher still go off with a (coloured) Sphere of Resistance in play? Because if they can't, Shusher isn't a real out to Counterbalance/Chalice.

Well, that comparison really isn't the same because you wouldn't be paying an extra R for every spell that you play, just for the key spells that MUST resolve before you go off (Orim's Chant). Sphere of Resistance makes every spell cost an additional mana, unconditional. Susher may add an extra R here and there, but I'd gladly pay an extra R or RR during the course of my turn if it ensures my combo will go off.

[Nihil Credo]

The problem is that Counterbalance and Chalice don't care if you resolved Orim's Chant or not. With CounterTop in play, Shusher alone only allows you to go off if you can afford the extra R for nearly every spell you play.

I suppose it does make your Pyroblast work, though. Shusher + Pyroblast or Wish->Silence is still a better anti-Counterbalance plan than the current 'somehow trick your opponent into letting you resolve Pyroblast or Wish->Silence'.

[Elfrago]

Why is everyone talking about Burn ? This little Goblin might have a nice home in TES and Belcher (sideboards)...Chalice and CBalance are the biggest enemies of those decks as well, and they have game-winning spells to resolve instead of Bolts...this might be better than Swarm in those decks !

Chant can only be countered. This can be killed too. Also it costs plus for each one of your opponent counterspells as opposed to only . Guess we will stick with chant

[Dilettante]

The problem is that Counterbalance and Chalice don't care if you resolved Orim's Chant or not. With CounterTop in play, Shusher alone only allows you to go off if you can afford the extra R for nearly every spell you play.

I suppose it does make your Pyroblast work, though.

I was not stating it as anti-CB/Chalice... I was stating it as a way to protect your Orim's Chant if they DON'T have one in play so that you can go off relatively protected. Orim's Chant can still be FoW/CS'ed.

[Illissius]

This is really obvious, but the difference between Shusher and all the previous anti-countermagic measures save Boseiju is that the others can themselves be countered -- Shusher can't. If you have a lot of red and/or green mana, you can basically force whatever spell of your choice to resolve, almost no matter what (exceptions off the top of my head: Misdirection effects, Time Stop, kill you in response, Sudden Shock/Death/Spoiling + Counterspell). I'm not sure where that would be useful yet, but it definitely has its niche.

[Apex]

4 new cards from Mana Rouge (roughly translated, probably not final wording):

Speared Wasp {u/b}{u/b}{u/b}
Creature - Faerie Soldier
Flying
3/2

Stone Jaws 5r
Sorcery U
~This~deals X damage divided among any number of target creatures or players where X is the number of mountains you controlled when you played ~this~.

Rosheen the Erratic 3{r/g}
Legendary Creature - Giant Shaman
tap: add 4 to your mana pool. Use this mana only to pay for costs containing x.
4/4

Elvish Troops 3g
Creature - Elf
~This~'s power and toughness are each equal to the number of green permanents you control.
~This~ can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponnents control.
*/*

Probably all too weak for legacy.

[Shtriga]

that elf will definitely have a spot in the few elves decks around

the others are all unimpressive

[mujadaddy]

4 new cards from Mana Rouge (roughly translated, probably not final wording):

...


Probably all too weak for legacy.

Almost certainly.

Speared Wasp {u/b}{u/b}{u/b}
Creature - Faerie Soldier
Flying
3/2

Meh. Doesn't do anything.

Stone Jaws 5r
Sorcery U
~This~deals X damage divided among any number of target creatures or players where X is the number of mountains you controlled when you played ~this~.

An almost strictly worse Corrupt, with the Pyrotechnics flavor instead of lifegain.

Rosheen the Erratic 3{r/g}
Legendary Creature - Giant Shaman
tap: add 4 to your mana pool. Use this mana only to pay for costs containing x.
4/4

Boy, how many Legends are they going to have in this set?! What the hell is he supposed to fit in?

Elvish Troops 3g
Creature - Elf
~This~'s power and toughness are each equal to the number of green permanents you control.
~This~ can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponnents control.
*/*

Should've been or champion or something

[Media314r8]

Boy, how many Legends are they going to have in this set?! What the hell is he supposed to fit in?

He's probably supposed to be the bizzarro-Brion Stoutarm. Same P/T, cmc.

[Nihil Credo]

Rosheen's flavour text may as well be "PS: Demonfire you."

[Arsenal]

Susher + Bound/Determined? I know it's RGU, but in TES, it shouldn't be that hard to get the required mana, and it 99% guarantees your combo will go through any counters.

[Sek'Kuar]

Rosheen is Brion's sister...
See: Female

[Pinder]

I think that the neatest thing about Shusher is that he's also a green way to fight Counterbalance, of which there is little. I'll pay 1GG for a Goyf if it guarantees him resolving through CB.

Still no idea if this makes him Legacy viable, but I figured I'd point out that he's green, too.

[Bovinious]

Stone Jaws 5r
Sorcery U
~This~deals X damage divided among any number of target creatures or players where X is the number of mountains you controlled when you played ~this~.

I guess theyre doing a cycle of sorceries that cost 5 and a colored mana and that care about how many basic lands of that type you have, theyre reprinting Corrupt and Flow of Ideas, and this is the red one. I bet the green and white ones will be fucking awful, as they usually are in cycles.

[Alfred]

I think that the neatest thing about Shusher is that he's also a green way to fight Counterbalance, of which there is little. I'll pay 1GG for a Goyf if it guarantees him resolving through CB.

Still no idea if this makes him Legacy viable, but I figured I'd point out that he's green, too.

Isn't Krosan Grip green? That is one of the best ways of dealing with Counterbalance.

I'd actually say that he's better as a red solution to Counterbalance, for which there are very few, if any.

[Sanguine Voyeur]

I'll pay 1GG for a Goyf if it guarantees him resolving through CB.

That's very strange considering Tarmogoyf's original cost.

[MasterBlaster]

I bet the green and white ones will be fucking awful, as they usually are in cycles.

I bet you a Foil Plains one of them will be lifegain.

[Pinder]

Isn't Krosan Grip green? That is one of the best ways of dealing with Counterbalance.

I thought of that as soon as I posted, but Grip is hardly maindeckable. Not sure if this guy is either, but we'll see.

I suppose it's far more important that it gives green an answer to traditional countermagic, essentially giving it a reusable 'Green Elemental Blast'. And I'm pretty sure there aren't any other ways get around counter spells in green.