[Deck] TES - The EPIC Storm

[Citrus-God]

I dont see Cabal Ritual setting up Turn 2 wins, as much as Cabal Rit accelerates the combo, it cant accelerate the combo to win on Turn 2 as often as Ponder does. Also, I dont see Cabal Rits finding Contracts, Wishes, ITutors, and/or Chants. Ponder find those things; and if it doesnt then Ponders enhances your chances of drawing them.

[undone]

After testing against actual opponents I agree The hand sculpting lets you go off so consistentaly vs anything. Question since we dropped bob whats our discard plan? Just explode turn 1/2?

[Bryant Cook]

Here's my first place Report from Hadley, Mass.

[BreathWeapon]

Back to Swarms in the SB? Were they better than REB or Abeyance?

[Bryant Cook]

Back to Swarms in the SB? Were they better than REB or Abeyance?

Yes, Stifle and Orim's Chant are becoming common sideboard cards around here and I don't want to lose to a Chant mid-combo.

[Jak]

Did you like that many Sprees in the SB? You are the true master of TES. The games sounded amazing.

[Bryant Cook]

Did you like that many Sprees in the SB? You are the true master of TES. The games sounded amazing.

Yeah, they were sided in a bit. They were solid, came up when I needed them.

[Jak]

Bryant, I just read freakish's post about your games and I was wondering if, after playing those games, you wanted more EtW MD? Now, I used to run 3 like a lot of people, but cut them down when I added draw 4s and Cabal Rituals. I still don't know if they will be that effective, but the hate seems to have died down.

I don't know what I would cut, but I may drop a number of Ponders or Draw 4s. Most likely Ponders, because they are more for winning slowly and when you have an EtW in your opening, you usually won't cantrip.

[Bryant Cook]

Bryant, I just read freakish's post about your games and I was wondering if, after playing those games, you wanted more EtW MD? Now, I used to run 3 like a lot of people, but cut them down when I added draw 4s and Cabal Rituals. I still don't know if they will be that effective, but the hate seems to have died down.

I don't know what I would cut, but I may drop a number of Ponders or Draw 4s. Most likely Ponders, because they are more for winning slowly and when you have an EtW in your opening, you usually won't cantrip.

It's an interesting thought, however, that's only one match-up. He wasn't playing maindeck explosives, a lot of people do nowadays. If I was to add more Empty the Warrens, I'd cut the 4th Ponder, or if you wanted three a single Contract leaving one. I'm happy with my current list after going 8-0-1 yesterday.

[Jak]

It's an interesting thought, however, that's only one match-up. He wasn't playing maindeck explosives, a lot of people do nowadays. If I was to add more Empty the Warrens, I'd cut the 4th Ponder, or if you wanted three a single Contract leaving one. I'm happy with my current list after going 8-0-1 yesterday.

Yeah, I can see why you would love your deck . I'll test out 3 EtW MD and see how it feels. Most of the time the Thresh player has 2 EE MD, so most of the time EtW will win it.

Do you ever wish for Contract? With IT? I am sure I would if I top decked an IT with an empty hand, but I can't think of another situation. I think I'll keep 2 in and cut Ponder down to 2.

[Bryant Cook]

Yeah, I can see why you would love your deck . I'll test out 3 EtW MD and see how it feels. Most of the time the Thresh player has 2 EE MD, so most of the time EtW will win it.

Do you ever wish for Contract? With IT? I am sure I would if I top decked an IT with an empty hand, but I can't think of another situation. I think I'll keep 2 in and cut Ponder down to 2.

I never Infernal Tutor for Contract. Ever. Diminishing Returns is always better. I don't think you'll like three Warrens. But try it and let me know how it goes, I think going down to 2 Ponder is a mistake.

[Jak]

I never Infernal Tutor for Contract. Ever. Diminishing Returns is always better. I don't think you'll like three Warrens. But try it and let me know how it goes, I think going down to 2 Ponder is a mistake.

Well, then going down to only one Draw 4 seems weird. I'll try 3 EtW and tell you about it.

[BreathWeapon]

Yeah, I can see why you would love your deck . I'll test out 3 EtW MD and see how it feels. Most of the time the Thresh player has 2 EE MD, so most of the time EtW will win it.

Do you ever wish for Contract? With IT? I am sure I would if I top decked an IT with an empty hand, but I can't think of another situation. I think I'll keep 2 in and cut Ponder down to 2.

Cutting Ponder for Empty the Warrens doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because the two cards work in conjuction. I Ponder into a turn 1 Empty the Warrens a lot, or I Diminishing Returns, float U, draw/cast Ponder and then go off with Empty the Warrens quite a bit. Multiple Empty the Warrens also benefits from cantrip -> cantrip, I've won a couple games from Ponder -> Ponder -> accelerant and then Empty the Warrens for 4+ instead of 2+ storm.

[sephorusFR]

Hello all,

I'm coming back to legacy and wanted to see what updates where done to TES.
I lurked the last 10+ pages but I still have a question :
why most lists include 1 Tarnished Citadel ?

Thanks for the Insight

[matelml]

Because alternatives are even worse. Forbidden Orchard isn't good when you want to play EtW, Paradise isn't good when you have several lands but used the Paradise to cast a cantrip on turn one and the Citadel isn't good either. So just play some combination, because they are all worse in doubles and better (read: less bad) combined. They are all comparable in crappiness, but I prefer 11 lands using them all once.

[Jak]

Cutting Ponder for Empty the Warrens doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because the two cards work in conjuction. I Ponder into a turn 1 Empty the Warrens a lot, or I Diminishing Returns, float U, draw/cast Ponder and then go off with Empty the Warrens quite a bit. Multiple Empty the Warrens also benefits from cantrip -> cantrip, I've won a couple games from Ponder -> Ponder -> accelerant and then Empty the Warrens for 4+ instead of 2+ storm.

The reasoning for cutting Ponder would be because it conflicts with going off via EtW turn one. The reason I am trying 3 EtW is because it rocks against Thresh and rocks going off turn one when you have one in hand. That plan conflicts with cantriping.

In goldfishing last night I drew a ton of shitty hands, literally. Hands with 3 lands and a Chrome mox, 4 cantrips, no lands, no tutors, etc. It was ridiculous. And I did use 8 cantrips cutting 2 draw 4s. Still testing because those hands were horrible. I think it was just crazy bad luck.

[sephorusFR]

OK I see. Then I guess Reflecting pool is out cause it can't provide mana if it's alone ?

[undone]

Lands that need other lands are HORRIBLE when running 10 lands. The lands are the best they will be unless they print something like

Rainbow land
land
CIPT unless you pay 3/4 life

T: add 1 of any color

Really The list bryant has is very good and only a few cards get changed. The reason for this is that unless something like the above is printed or another retarted ritual is printed then the only changes are cards like ETW, and infernal contract. The biggest change is the SB cards there are alot of variable slots there for metagame

[sephorusFR]

OK I see :)
Was the Slithermuse idea dropped entirely or not ?

[undone]

It was dropped because burning wish cannot go for it, and returns is better 99% of the time, not to mention that makes you vulnerable to LLotV.