Grapeshot >>> pyroclasm.
On Italy all players thinking who led will be banned....
Not really. Italy is one of the places where combo is underplayed, so I guess LED is not that much a concern (maybe in Ichorid?).Originally Posted by Aj-capra
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LED won't be banned until they do something about Counterbalance I believe, but realistically what can be done? By allowing so much Blue in the format, they limit the amount of combo, but by limiting Blue, then they open the door for Combo. Combo is able to roll over the decks lacking permission, so why not think of the structure of these builds as balanced. Besides, combo is as good as you want it to be. If you are worried about counter spells, then you can run limitation cards like Xanthid, Chant, or City of Solitude, and go off behind them. Combo will not get its respect until Force runs out of friends, and for now Force has the most friends in the format, thank you Tarmogoyf.
Costs 1UTarmogoyf.
Force of will just hasnt got the message. Yet.
But seriously @WhoKnowsWhy your right theres no reason for any current combo peices to be unbanned. With the current blue metagame I would even say unban a thing or 2 (nothing degenerate just some quality stuff maby frantic search?)
I c h o r i d - my anti blue
Manaless Ichorid- At least its cheeper than standard.
We admit for the sake of the exercise that following is true:
Landstill > Fromat
Non-Basic Hate > Landstill
Basics > Non-Basic Hate
We can therefore logically conlude that
Basics > Format
I don't think any combo pieces should be ban as the blue decks are very good at countering the combo decks.
If there is one card that deserves to get banned then I would have to vote for Sensei's Divinning Top. That card is absolutely broken in the format.
~Shriek~
If you guys would like to talk about bannings, I'd recommend a different thread, not in the Deck Discussion forum.
Anyways, Kanti, I do that sideboard plan for every match-up involving blue. Other match-ups I take out chant and board in sprees.
Hi,
I'm going to play this deck in my next tournament, and have posibily a noob question.
First of there is bound to be more blackbased decks( Pox/Evagreen like) then Counterbalance decks. So I won't play Seize MD. For the SB I'm thinking of putting Dark Confidant back in to fight discard. The question is do you swap Shusher or Pyroblast for Confidant.
I'm thinking of taking out Shusher.. I haven't been impressed by it. It's only good against Counterbalance( Chalice is too easy to play around, using Shusher to play around Daze isn't really helpfull and normally my opponent has 1 counter so Pyroblast takes out the counter just as good).
Well I like to hear from you
If there will be more suicide, then Thoughtsieze is better than chant. Same goes for Shusher vs. Confidant.
Hello,
I'm playing TES a long time and now I asked myself are there more reasons to play Thoughtseize over Duress then M. Mage and G. Teeg?
If yes let me know, because the price of a playset scares me a lot and I have 4 Duress from my old Vintage Suicide.
Greetz, Vardasereg
Well another thing that thoughtseize sometimes takes away from an opponent is their clock. If Thoughtseize takes away an opposing goyf, and he plays a worse creature. You just got an extra turn to combo. That's what i think.
Seize >>> duress
The price of a playset isn't expensive now!!
Seize for mage,dreadnought,tarmo,gaddok,lakkè and more critters!!!
Why tranquility over cleanfall? You never have a reason to produce green in this deck outside of one card. Just curious. I understand getting green is not an issue but just curious if there was a driving reason behind it.
I wrote this post a long time ago. It was the dopest post I ever wrote... in 94.
I'll go with your never going to stick it under a mox if you wish for it so it's really irrelevent what color it would make it produce AND (more importantly for that matter) Bryant has a Japanese Foil Tranquility) also if it were ever under a mox you could use it to activate/play Shusher so it kind of balances out playing Orim's Chant with Cleanfall under a mox.
Team Hammafist
Bryant have a tranquillity foil japanes and I've a cleanfall foil japanese.
Very important reason :P
Sometimes I've two orim in hand and imprint one and I'm playing easy my cleanfall!!!
that is true, but lotus petal, and your lands all produce 5c so it doesn't usually matter.
Team Hammafist
Yes, but I must to fight with my luck :P
I must to test simplify,too. It's CC is good!!!
Correct, it doesn't usually, but it could. As long as there is a chance, I'll go with Cleanfall.
lo,
It does matter against Blood Moon. Cleanfall can be cast with eight cards and Tranquility with four. It's a small point, but still.
Probably about Chant and Seize, but the difference would be small. Chanting an opponent on there upkeep to Time Walk is not much worst than Seizing his strongest card. Chant helps also against Extirpate, when you want to use the IGGy kill.
What do you mean excactly with Shusher or Confidant: Shusher is better anyhow, so you don't need to play Confidant or not? I tested yesterday against Thresh( Ugbw) where he with CB MD and could go quite even against him with no Seize MD and boarding in 3 Pyroblasts and 2 Dark Confidants. He didn't have EE though and wasn't a briliant player.
On another note, I also tested Slithermuse and Thoughtseize and didn't like it much. It slows your deck down so that your opponent has less cards in his hand. If you use Thoughtseize his hand goes down even more. If an opponent plays a Goyf and 2 landdrops on the play and you combo your turn 2 with Thoughtseize Slithermuse is already became a expensive draw 4. It might be good for FT( although that deck is even slower, so a higher change your opponent got an even smaller hand, but it doesn't remove 10 cards from the game) but here I like Diminishing Returns better.
BB
He means Vexing Shusher is worthless against discard based decks and Dark Confidant is worthwhile against discard based decks because he off sets their disruption.
Shards of Alara card:
Ad Nauseum -- 3BB -- Instant
Reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to its converted mana cost. You may repeat this process any number of times.
Ad Nauseum...*sigh*...that is a lovely card. Forget Bargain (which isn't even legal), draw on opponent's EoT at instant speed and win when you untap with 15 cards in hand!
peace,
4eak
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