[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

[matamagos]

I have played wipe away and I will change it next time. Wipe away of course is good against counterbalance decks, but not against blue decks in general since they don't play many permanents that stop your combo. The rest of the time 3 lifes lost are too many for a card that have other good substitutes.

Here in my meta we are beginning to see lots of tarmoburns, red thresh and so. I wanted to try 1 angel's grace main joined by 4 pacts of negation to see how it performs againts all these red decks.

[emidln]

I ran this list over the weekend to a finals split in my local legacy event. This is a mix between Kim Kluck's dday/ant list and listening to Bryant rant about the amazingness of Burning Wish everyday on instant messenger. Bryant told me to point out that Burning Wish and Reverent Silence are his ideas.

As far as playing this pile is concerned, all of the standard Doomsday tricks apply, you can Burning Wish into an Infernal Tutor to get yourself an Ad Nauseam, and there are several new pass the turn Doomsday piles that are much less vulnerable than in the past thanks to Burning Wish letting you generate more storm through better abuse of Lion's Eye Diamond.

// Storm VXY
1 Tendrils of Agony
3 Burning Wish
2 Infernal Tutor
4 Mystical Tutor
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Doomsday
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Meditate
4 Brainstorm
2 Ponder
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Lotus Petal
3 Chrome Mox
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual
4 Duress
4 Polluted Delta
3 Bloodstained Mire
2 Volcanic Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
2 Bayou
1 Island

SB: 1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 Grapeshot
SB: 1 Infernal Tutor
SB: 1 Doomsday
SB: 1 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Reverent Silence
SB: 1 Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 Hurkyl's Recall
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 1 Krosan Grip
SB: 3 Xantid Swarm
SB: 1 Helm of Awakening

[B.C.]

RIP end of turn Mystical for Ad Nauseam, activing LED during upkeep to play it. You are a casualty of simplifying the rules for the lowest common denominator. Goddamn motherfuckers.

[Pulp_Fiction]

Yeah, I just heard about this. Fucking ridiculous, although I do hate Ad Nauseam because it makes storm combo playable by people who don't understand combo, I still LOVE that play, way to many free wins off of that! It also fucks up emidIn's new pass the turn DD pile.

[Ciberon]

Maybe Silence will be a good card to help protect the combo?

[FredMaster]

Maybe Silence will be a good card to help protect the combo?

This:

If I was to play Silence it'd be a 1 of over the 4th Chant, solely to get around Runed Halo on Chant.

[Pulp_Fiction]

Completely different deck man. TES plays 7 protection spells and 1 bounce spell and generally has no use for Silence as it is not a proactive disrpution spell for CB like Duress is. DDFT is going to benefit greatly for it.

@Ciberon: All ANT really needs is 4x Chant and 4x Duress, Silence is .... really unneeded. Although I think LEDless is garbage, they could potentially benefit, but something like 4x Duress and 4x Blast seems to be pretty damn good.

On a strange and somewhat awkward note, am I the only one who feels that straight up ANT is going to be close to invalid after the new rules?

[BreathWeapon]

Completely different deck man. TES plays 7 protection spells and 1 bounce spell and generally has no use for Silence as it is not a proactive disrpution spell for CB like Duress is. DDFT is going to benefit greatly for it.

@Ciberon: All ANT really needs is 4x Chant and 4x Duress, Silence is .... really unneeded. Although I think LEDless is garbage, they could potentially benefit, but something like 4x Duress and 4x Blast seems to be pretty damn good.

On a strange and somewhat awkward note, am I the only one who feels that straight up ANT is going to be close to invalid after the new rules?

Maybe LED based ANT, but LEDless ANT is unaffected and now that LED isn't nearly as broken it's just another justification to drop the card altogether.

[idraleo]

Should a thread with LEDless version could be opened by someone competent?

[mercc]

Who is going to start a petition against the new rules then send it to wizards then the rules will go back?

[Noman Peopled]

Who is going to start a petition against the new rules then send it to wizards then the rules will go back?

?

Everyone who has an issue with them should. Note that Wizards in all likelihood doesn't give a crap about a mana burn rule that doesn't affect Standard at all.

[ParkerLewis]

Who is going to start a petition against the new rules then send it to wizards then the rules will go back?

Ask them for a thousand dollars, while you're at it. This way, you might actually not waste your time on a stupid project.

[mercc]

woah, serious dude's :)

[kicks_422]

Does anyone have a LED-less list? I'm interested in testing it out.

[ColeM]

Does anyone have a LED-less list? I'm interested in testing it out.

There are a few LEDless lists throughout this thread. Emidln posted a UBr list a while back, which had 8 red blasts for protection, that I have found to work very well against blue based control. The UB LEDless lists have all been fairly mediocre in my experience and I feel that they are simply not worth running.

I will also note here that I have been running a list similar to Kim Kluck's (a UBr hybrid) with the primary difference being the addition of 3-4 Pyroblasts to the maindeck instead of having them in the sideboard. I am beginning to test emidln's hyrbid list that runs Burning Wish (which is working much better than I would have guessed).

Right now I'm trying to judge how much this deck is nerfed against CounterTop or blue Tempo strategies with the loss of the Mystical/LED trick. I often found myself winning games after using a turn 1 Duress or Thoughtseize to snag a hard counter then setting up a turn 2/3 win via LED + Mystical.

[afireinside3241]

I'm new to the whole Doomsday in the deck what stacks do you make?

[emidln]

I've posted misc stacks in the past. While some of them have gone down, others do remain, but the basic idea is this:

Draw Spell
Mana/Protection
Mana/Protection
Mana/Storm Engine/Protection
Win Condition

When building piles remember that you always need to end with at least 2BB, 1R or 1U and that you usually want to begin your draw with Brainstorm, Sensei's Divining Top, or Ponder. Brainstorm gives you options to put something like SDT or a tutor on top with some LEDs to be able to fetch out either more cantrips, a storm engine like IGG, or Tendrils. Ponder is almost always going to simply draw into Brainstorm or Meditate. SDT is interesting because it keeps your pile the same. This usually lets you put a draw3 or draw4 on top and lets you abuse Lion's Eye Diamond to cast your finisher.

There are a ton of useful piles, but these (and their variations) are where you probably want to start:

1) Using SDT (costs 2U after your cantrip):
Meditate/LED/LED/Lotus Petal/Tendrils

2) Using Brainstorm/Ponder/SDT (costs 2U after your cantrip)
Meditate/Dark Rit/Dark Rit/Lotus Petal/Tendrils

3) Using SDT (costs 4U after your cantrip)
Meditate/SDT/Helm of Awakening/LED/Grapeshot

4) Using SDT (costs 1U after your cantrip) requires 2 other cards in hand
Brainstorm/LED/LED/IGG/Tendrils

5) Using Brainstorm (costs 1 after your cantrip) requires 2 other cards in hand
SDT/LED/LED/IGG/Tendrils

As an exercise to the reader, work out the storm yourself. None of these piles include the cost of Doomsday. I use roughly 30 piles regularly and many more in esoteric situations. Almost all of them follow these same design patterns.

[mercc]

Someone mentioned that doomsday piles have been affected by the new rules, can anyone tell how? if so.

how come doomsday is not a strong combo-card alone as it only requires one card and 6+ mana?

[kicks_422]

Because people are too lazy to actually take time to learn it? Maybe because people would rather cast Ad Nauseam than Doomsday? I dunno.. Seriously, it's a one-card engine, tutoring for 5 cards. How powerful is that?

[linux-ll-]

Played on a +75 man tournament. Made the first place.
My list:
Lands
2 [EX] City of Traitors
4 [ON] Polluted Delta
1 [IN] Island (1)
1 [A] Swamp (1)
3 [b] Underground Sea
1 [b] Tropical Island
2 [ON] Flooded Strand

// Spells
3 [ALA] Ad Nauseam
4 [b] Dark Ritual
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
2 [SH] Mox Diamond
4 [MI] Mystical Tutor
4 [FUT] Pact of Negation
4 [US] Duress
4 [TO] Cabal Ritual
4 [LRW] Ponder
1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [MM] Brainstorm
1 [ON] Chain of Vapor

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [RAV] Dark Confidant
SB: 4 [TSP] Angel's Grace
SB: 1 [b] Tundra
SB: 2 [FUT] Slaughter Pact
SB: 1 [AQ] Hurkyl's Recall

I can´t tell something about the matches in detail.
Played against:
Thres with CB
Mono Black Train Wreck Discard
Affinity
UGw Thres
Doran Rock
Aggro Loam
Pro Thres with CB, he was very cool and scooped thus we had the maximun of prices (4 FBB Duals Taiga,Scrubland,Plateu,Badlands and 4 Volcanic Island WB)

I´m very satisfied with my list and I see no reason to add LED or Infernal Tutor. Eminently not because of the M10 Rules.