[Deck] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

[quicksilver]

Right, but I don't want to lose valuable sideboard slots to a deck that I won't run into that much and will rarely see T8 play. I guess the same could be said for Ichorid, but then again the Crypt and Relic in my SB can be used in other games. I think BEB is wasted unless you expect a metagame that's absolutely full of Goblins, Burn and Sligh. Also, wouldn't you need at least 3 in the board to make sure that you draw them in games 2 and 3?

In any case, I'd love some more input on the matchup.

BEB is also great against zoo, which is very popular.

[Purgatory]

Why not have 3 - 4 Spell Pierces in your board.

Boy, do I feel thick. Spell Pierce is a great side-board option against those decks, and it's more versatile than BEB. I'm going to try it out as soon as possible.

[santeria]

Spell Pierce is ... more versatile than BEB.

almost.

spell pierce doesnt hit creatures and it functions only as a counterspell.

BEB functions as a counterspell and removal. spending U on a top decked BEB to take out a 5/4 thoctar you were unable to counter previously, is nice.

[TrialByFire]

almost.

spell pierce doesnt hit creatures and it functions only as a counterspell.

BEB functions as a counterspell and removal. spending U on a top decked BEB to take out a 5/4 thoctar you were unable to counter previously, is nice.

And it kills Vexing Shusher so you can save Bolts for Nacatls or whatever

[strife2]

I'm preparing the Side-event of the GP Paris (100+ players expected) and I'm wondering what is the best SB for a big event like that :

// Lands
4 [B] Volcanic Island
4 [TE] Wasteland
2 [ON] Polluted Delta
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
4 [U] Tropical Island

// Creatures
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [OD] Nimble Mongoose
2 [MOR] Vendilion Clique

// Spells
4 [BD] Lightning Bolt
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [NE] Daze
4 [AP] Fire/Ice
4 [AL] Force of Will
2 [DIS] Spell Snare
4 [SC] Stifle
4 [LRW] Ponder
2 [ZEN] Spell Pierce

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt (Voracious Trap instead ?)
SB: 4 [NE] Submerge
SB: 3 [7E] Pyroclasm (Firespoot ?)
SB: 1 [OV] Pyroblast
SB: 2 [4E] Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 [DIS] Trygon Predator (Krosan Grip ?)

I'm expecting lots of Dredge, Goblin and Thresh/CB.deck. What do think of my SB ? I think it's quite versatile :
-3 Tormod's Crypt : against Ichorid, Eternal Garden, Reanimator, Aggro Loam ? In short all MU based on graveyard. I'll try Voracious trap maybe, to see if it's better.
-4 Submerge : against all decks with green
-3 Pyroclasm : against tribal decks, Ichorid etc. but I've never tested Firespoot so I don't know if it's worst ou better.
-3 REB like : against all blue deck.
-2 Trygon Predator : against CB.deck, Stax, Affinity etc.

I'll give my Siding Table later.
If you want to test on MWS => PM.

[sauce]

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29274

This is the list I would probably play if I had to play Canadian Thresh at a tournament.
Edit: Maindeck lands should be: -1 Wooded -1 Polluted Delta -2 Flooded strand +3 Misty Rainforest +1 Volcanic Island.
The sideboard is sound as well although I would try -2 Disrupt +2 Spell pierce in it.

[jandax]

Is Scalding Tarn not as good? Just curious.

[santeria]

I'm wondering what is the best SB for a big event:

x3 pithing needle
x3 pyroclasm
x3 REB
x2 spell pierce
x2 BEB
x2 EE

[DragoFireheart]

Is Pyroclasm enough for tribal decks like goblins and merfolk with the increase in the number of lords?

[Raptor]

Is Pyroclasm enough for tribal decks like goblins and merfolk with the increase in the number of lords?

From my testing, it is enough.
You shouldn't run firespout for the single reasons that it kills your own mongoose.

Vs goblins; You can take care of their lords with daze / force (assuming that they don't have vial) or you keep your bolt / fire and ice for the lords.

Also, even if they have a lord, if you pyroclasm. The lords will die, and so will the other creatures with 2 thoughness (they lost their +1/+1).

And versus merfolk you have REB which is really THAT good and pyroclasm is enough for the same reason as above. they need two lords to survive pyroclasm and you can easily take care of their lords with counters and burn.

[Gibsonmac]

Is Scalding Tarn not as good? Just curious.

They are all the same... I would advocate running a split of fetch lands, Ideally something as such:

1 Misty
1 Tarn
1 Strand
1 Delta
2 Foothills

Reason being, and this has happened to me more than I'd care to mention lately, Pithing needle on a fetch is no joke... more and more decks are running needles main deck with extras in the side, and running a 4-2 or a 3-3 split really fucks your world up when they name correctly, HOWEVER running a 1-1-1-1-2 or a 2-2-2 split makes the play much less relevant/devastating...

[Gibsonmac]

Is Pyroclasm enough for tribal decks like goblins and merfolk with the increase in the number of lords?

usually not, fish has a metric shit-ton of lords available and can have 2 in play easily, same with gobos... firespout all the way baby.... as for hitting the goose, you just slightly adjust your strategy/game-plan, just make sure you have 3 or better yet 4 spouts to facilitate being able to hold off playing permanents.

[Enigma]

Wasteland > 3 mana

So

Pyroclasm > Firespout (In CT)

Who runs Waste? Decks that you want Firespout to comes in. It's for me a no-no, plus Clasm helps against TES, where Firespout not as much (if they go for EtW they will do it on the first 2 turns usually.)

P-M

[Gibsonmac]

Wasteland > 3 mana

So

Pyroclasm > Firespout (In CT)

Who runs Waste? Decks that you want Firespout to comes in. It's for me a no-no, plus Clasm helps against TES, where Firespout not as much (if they go for EtW they will do it on the first 2 turns usually.)

P-M

CT? CounterTop?? also not sure what you mean by 'wasteland > 3 mana' I'm with you on the TES utility of clasm, but there are better things to bring in against that deck, disrupt/spell pierce (i'm sure you already know that)... I'm not as experienced with TT as I am with other decks at the moment, but as firespout has replaced pyroclasm in just about every other aggro-control Urx shell, why still run it here

[miko]

I like the Italian Canadian Thresh decks that won several big tourneys recently. Especially Simone Giovannetti has been very successful running Lavamancer and Coatl in Canadian Thresh. For reference two decklists by Simone:

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29420
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29431

Both lists are in my opinion the way to beat aggro. Especially tribal.

What do you guys think about the Italians' attempt?

Mainboard:
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Brainstorm
2 Trygon Predator
4 Fire / Ice
3 Flooded Strand
4 Ponder
4 Stifle
2 Vendilion Clique
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Wasteland
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Polluted Delta
1 Island
4 Volcanic Island
3 Tropical Island
4 Force of Will
4 Daze

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Sideboard:
3 Firespout
3 Pyroblast
2 Krosan Grip
2 Tormod's Crypt
3 Mind Harness
2 Pithing Needle

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[FoulQ]

CT? CounterTop?? also not sure what you mean by 'wasteland > 3 mana' I'm with you on the TES utility of clasm, but there are better things to bring in against that deck, disrupt/spell pierce (i'm sure you already know that)... I'm not as experienced with TT as I am with other decks at the moment, but as firespout has replaced pyroclasm in just about every other aggro-control Urx shell, why still run it here

CT = Canadian Thresh.

But I agree, people shouldn't be using CT because that makes things way to fucking confusing. I had to read the post like 3 times, but the context reveals he meant CT as in Canadian Threshold.

What he means by the > equation is...good luck getting 3 mana against waste/stifle from merfolk, or waste/port from goblins.

[undone]

I like the Italian Canadian Thresh decks that won several big tourneys recently. Especially Simone Giovannetti has been very successful running Lavamancer and Coatl in Canadian Thresh. For reference two decklists by Simone:

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29420
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29431

Both lists are in my opinion the way to beat aggro. Especially tribal.

What do you guys think about the Italians' attempt?

I think the other list is significantly better (the one with 4 mancers and 4 cotal) but I am not sure I would take either If I knew the metagame was going to be combo or have any landstill. I dont know im VERY interested in testing both lists however I am sure that I will be testing the second one wiht 4 mancers more than the list with predators and an EE

I dont know enough to come to a conclusion as of yet but im going to guess they are metagamed varients of this deck built to beat specific metagames improving bad or even matchups (the mancer version just beating folk for instance)

[Humphrey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by strife2 View Post
I'm wondering what is the best SB for a big event:

x3 pithing needle
x3 pyroclasm
x3 REB
x2 spell pierce
x2 BEB
x2 EE

i would absolutely recommend submerge

So, mine is:

2x Needle
2x Pyroclasm
3x EE
4x Submerge
4x Pyroblast/ReB

I run 2 Trygon Predator main. If u dont do so, u need 2-3 Predator/Grip SB

[Skiller]

How would you sideboard against Zoo, Merfolk, Burn, Baseeruption / Counterbalance - Decks, Landstill, Dredge and the mirror with the following list and sideboard ?

Maindeck:

Creatures
4 Nimble Mongoose
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Vendilion Clique

Instants
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Fire / Ice
4 Force Of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Spell Snare
4 Stifle

Sorceries
4 Ponder

Lands

2 Wooded Foothills
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
4 Tropical Island
4 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

Sideboard:


2 Trygon Predator
2 Krosan Grip
4 Pyroblast
4 Submerge
3 Pyroclasm

And another question, referring to "Vendilion Clique". When do you play the clique normally ? At opponent´s draw step or at the end of his turn ?

[umbowta]

I like the Italian Canadian Thresh decks that won several big tourneys recently. Especially Simone Giovannetti has been very successful running Lavamancer and Coatl in Canadian Thresh. For reference two decklists by Simone:

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29420
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29431

Both lists are in my opinion the way to beat aggro. Especially tribal.

What do you guys think about the Italians' attempt?

Well he certainly doesn't like Spell Snare much does he.

If you pay attention to the dates of the events you can see that the earlier version ran the Coatls and he then switched to the Trygon/Clique split. This corresponds to placing 6th and 1st respectively. It also corresponds to an increase in White Stax in the meta, where Trygon Predator is a back breaker. I think I like his plan for as long as Aggro remains strong in the meta.