[Deck] 43 Lands

[RexFTW]

On that note...are there any decent anti tendrils or dredge strategies, or do you just punt the matchup?

Trinisphere pretty much hoses these decks as well. Ichorid usually only plays about 14 lands so trinisphere says NO SPELLS FOR U.

[Thomas1991]

btw why does everyone think that glacial chasm is great agains ant.

tendrills sais life loss.

just thought you guys should know ;)

[workingdude]

Will the new manlands offer anything?

In particular, how is the prospect of dual manlands with higher costs?

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=204793

[DownSyndromeKarl]

btw why does everyone think that glacial chasm is great agains ant.

tendrills sais life loss.

just thought you guys should know ;)

its good against Empty the Warrens.

[leander?]

Even against EtW it's way too slow (unless you've got a Loam and a manabond right away).

[Dm225]

How competitive is this deck without the blue splash for Intuition?

[Mr.C]

Why doesnt the deck play Boseiju? Wouldnt that greatly improve the CB matchup?

[Thomas1991]

4 Manabond
4 Exploration
4 Burning Wish
4 Gamble
3 Life from the Loam
1 Barbarian Ring
2 Crop Rotation

lands
4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
0/1 scalding tarn
2/3 Stomping Ground
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
8 Mountain
4 Maze of Ith
4 Wasteland
4 Forgotten Cave
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All/ghost quater/dust bowl/forest/mountain/fetch/urza's factory

sideboard
4#Devastating Dreams
1#Life from the Loam
1#Reverent Silence
1#Scapeshift/open slot
4#Thorn of Amethyst
4#Chalice of the Void

boardplan vs combo

-4 maze of ith
-1 glacial chasm
-1 tabernacle
-1 barbarian ring
-1 boseiju
-2 crop rotation
-1 mana bond

+ 3 devastating dreams
+ 4 chalice
+ 4 thorn of amathyst

against merfolk/other aggro you just board 3 devastating dreams

-1 bosiju
-1 wasteland
-1 forgotten cave/burning wish

now the combo matchup is even winable although you need 11 SB slots voor combo.

every other matchup you should be able to win.

I'm very positive of the valakut build, i think it's the way to go.

no STP able kills, you can kill and still go insane with loam (turn 4 a 5 i'm most of the time able to loam 3 times each turn)

you can when with an active B2B.

you still win the matches you used to win.

your manabase is stabalized a lot.

[Serbitar]

What do you think of this card:

[blaat]

What do you think of this card:

don't see anything, but you mean this one:



Pretty nuts!
Better than Mulch if you play that at all.
It always grabs a exploration/loam etc and all lands before that.
Even if you only reveal a non-land card it is still nice.

And it fixes a bad combo's with Land's Edge and the new non-land filter card.

[AcidFiend]

Treasure Hunt is RIDICULOUS in this deck :O

I swear Tabernacle will go up in price as more people want to get on board.

[Schembo]

Not confirmed yet but this one is nice addition to 43 lander too.

Bojuka Bog
Land
Bojuka Bog enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add b to your mana pool.
When Bojuka Bog enters the battlefield, remove all cards in target player's graveyard from the game.

[4eak]

Bog, for the effect, is impressively costed for decks which use black mana or have land-tutoring (playing a land has an opportunity cost, which is why non-black or non-land tutoring decks might prefer Relic/Crypt/Trap, opting to play on-color land instead). Unfortunately, the effect, which isn't instant speed (outside of Crop Rotation/KoTR/etc.) is not impressive against the decks where GY-hate is so necessary.

Treasure Hunt does seem more appealing though. I'm not entirely sure how difficult it would be to splash blue. I like it way more than Mulch though. When compared to alternatives, Treasure Hunting into a non-Loam spell is benefit of this card. Burning Wish and Gamble are perfect for targeting Loam, but the deck has few ways to safely tutor into other spells. Treasure Hunt can put Manabond and Exploration into your hand, and isn't as risky as Gamble (although Gamble can guarantee which card you find) or as inflexible as other tutor options. It would be fantastic to consistently find Manabond or Exploration, which are the complementary Tempo-boosting cards to this decks card advantage engine. Certain sideboard cards can also be found more effectively with Treasure Hunt as well. I'm not sure if it is worth playing, but I think it is a powerful effect which merits some testing.




peace,
4eak

[flrn]

So many Decks already have splashed blue for Intuition. That's not a problem.

[DownSyndromeKarl]

I've been seeing more and more of these decks run Intuition, so they're already splashing blue. I'm not sure if this would replace it. I'm more of a gambling man than an intuitive one.

EDIT: Beat me to it flrn!

[UrDraco]

I doubt this card is better than gamble in 43 lands but I am beginning to wonder whether or not it is better than intuition. While I like that intuition is an instant that can basically tutor three cards, this costs one less and guarantees you get to draw a non-land card. This whole set is looks like it is going to have a lot of potential for 43 lands. The new manlands are a little dissapointing though.

[jhhdk]

Wonder if this card could make us see 50+ land deck.

[Dissolution]

I think the biggest problem with Treasure Hunt is that it's inconsistent. Yeah, we could hit 10 lands and then Exploration and then it's godly, but we're also just as likely to hit a Gamble one card down.

I don't think it can be run while we're 'only' running 40 land.
If we went down to Treasure Hunt, Exploration, Manabond, and Life from the Loam, that's slightly better, but then we lose the tutoring power of Intuition/Gamble/Burning wish. If we include those, Treasure Hunt just gets weaker.

-T

[psu42]

This deck is best when running Gamble and Intuition, which means you are also running Exploration, Manabond, Life from the Loam, and Mox Diamond.

Yeah, you play like 43 (plus or minus) lands. How many cards are you really expecting to draw with Treasure Hunt? I mean, maybe you get really lucky and get 5, or maybe you don't and get 0 or just 1. If you are running this you are cutting something else and strictly odds-wise you are looking at 2-3 cards. Dredging life from the loam gets you 3 cards, which is pretty much the same odds as Treasure Hunt.

This card pretty much only dilutes your deck or changes the dynamics to strictly inferior than they are now. This card doesn't really fit or do anything that the decks needs.

[blaat]

This card pretty much only dilutes your deck or changes the dynamics to strictly inferior than they are now. This card doesn't really fit or do anything that the decks needs.

truth...

Tested it a lot and half the time I draw 1 or 2 cards including the non-land.
That was in a 44-land.deck.

yeah draw 14 with manabond active is nice, but it happens like 2% of the games.