[DECK] Valakut

[Azania]

Um. I didn't mean have to like the card mandates it -- even in that case you could just not cast the Manabond. I mean that when you have a hand, like, say, Manabond, Ad Nauseam, and five lands, you can't use the Manabond to accelerate Ad Nauseam. Which is very awkward. You have to either discard the Ad Nauseam, or play lands out one by one. And the latter isn't a realistic option, therefore you discard the Ad Nauseam. That's the sense in which I used "have to".

Ad Nauseam could work in an Eternal Garden kind of shell (with just one or two Manabond so you can cast it following AN), but for a 43lands shell Manabond is integral, so I don't really see it.


And here I obviously meant that even after you discard Scapeshift to Manabond or dredge it with Loam, you can flashback a Recoup (which got into your graveyard in a similar way) to cast it. I'm not sure what could've lead you to that other interpretation. Manabond and Scapeshift/Recoup work together, unlike Manabond and Ad Nauseam, which work against each other. (Again, at the point before you cast the AN. Afterwards obviously Manabond is very good.)

Prolly my bad then if I got things wrong.

Anyway atm either deck (eternal garden like with ad nauseam and 43 lands style) would still be dead against combo. I have not figured out a way to protect against combo without making the deck a lot worse and/or slower. At this point I would like to put this idea in 'sweet idea but only good against noncombo meta games'.

[Kangaxx]

Prolly my bad then if I got things wrong.

Anyway atm either deck (eternal garden like with ad nauseam and 43 lands style) would still be dead against combo. I have not figured out a way to protect against combo without making the deck a lot worse and/or slower. At this point I would like to put this idea in 'sweet idea but only good against noncombo meta games'.

I've mentioned Nether Void in an earlier post. wouldn't that help significantly against combo?

[Thomas1991]

I'm playtesting this deck for i while now and this is mij list.

it works very well for me

4 Manabond
4 Exploration
3 Life from the Loam
4 Burning Wish
4 Gamble
2 seismic assault
2 crop rotation

4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
3 stomping ground
4 forgotten cave
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Wasteland
4 valakut, the molten pinacle
8 Mountain
4 Maze of Ith
1 glacial chasm
1 boseijo, who shelters all

sideboard
1 Devastating Dreams
3 volcanic fallout
2 krosan grip
1 Life from the Loam
1 Reverent Silence
1 scapeshift
4 chalice of the void
2 zuran orb

[Pastorofmuppets]

So I'm getting 12 Valakuts in the mail... Is there a "definitive" list yet

[Darkenslight]

Why Manabond and not Rites of Flourishing? Rites fulfils the same purpose along with drawing cards.

Also, has no-one tried Scapeshift in the Seismic Assault slot, with Assault on the board?

[Koby]

Rites of Fluorishing is symmetrical, which means you give the same acceleration to your opponent as you receieve. Mana Bond works only for you, and can come out turn 1 giving you a ridiculous board position at the end of your turn.

Another card that may work in the dredge builds: Planar Birth (return all basics to play from g/y) for 1W. The build would need to be more Basic Mountain geared, but can be lethal with 6 Mountains in the g/y.

[kinda]

If you have any intention of beating anything running vial, 4 crop rotation and a tabernacle are absolutely needed (at least in my testing). The crops also find boseiju and maze which can be as critical...

[ssilver]

Maybe finally a use for that shitty card Prismatic Omen...

Combo answer maybe? Living Wish --> Ethersworn Cannonist = lol my combo still works but yours doesnt

[Thomas1991]

maybe mesmeric orb?

works nice with life from the loam ;)

[Thomas1991]

now being serious again.

i'm testing kher keep right now as 5th maze of ith that can produce mana.