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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    I'm pretty sure right now that the explanation article will be about 3 pages of what they are doing to the zombified corpse of Extended, and about one paragraph about Legacy.
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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

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    The Chicken Little Effect is depressing here.

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    The Chicken Little Effect is depressing here.
    I thought it was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftconsin View Post
    I'm pretty sure right now that the explanation article will be about 3 pages of what they are doing to the zombified corpse of Extended, and about one paragraph about Legacy.
    Actually, the explanation article is entirely about Extended, and Legacy was only mentioned as a troublemaker that snipes people away from that format.

    It's linked in OP.

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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    I think he means the other explanation article coming in a week:

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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies View Post
    Actually, the explanation article is entirely about Extended, and Legacy was only mentioned as a troublemaker that snipes people away from that format.

    It's linked in OP.
    I actually was refering to next week's Latest Developments article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftconsin View Post
    I actually was refering to next week's Latest Developments article.
    Well, then, here: let me give you a sneak preview:

    "We looked at the Top 8 from GP Madrid and felt Reanimator and Combo were too powerful and non-interactive. Both of these decks use Mystical Tutor as a powerful setup card. Players like creature decks because they're interactive, so we banned a very powerful enabler to make creature decks better. After all, no one likes losing to combo!"

    Also, they turned Extended into Big Standard in an attempt to make it not suck, but now it will probably be dominated by Jund, 5CC, and Faeries instead of Zoo and Thopter-Depths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pulp_Fiction View Post
    Fucking idiots. This is sickening. MT ISN'T THE PROBLEM WITH THE FORMAT. SENSEI'S DIVINING TOP IS! God damn, all Wizards seems to do to this format is shit all over it rather than make it better. I am truly upset with the ignorance of this company.
    THIS!

    I literally laughed out loud at that for a good solid minute. not like figuratively lol'd.

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    How is Sedge Troll not in that list, what a newb!
    None of those creatures have abilities, lamer!

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    This is the most plausible explanation. It is consistent with what Wizards has said in the past regarding combo.
    Uh yeah, maybe in standard during the urza block. But since when did wizards give a fuck if combo pushed anyone out of legacy.

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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    I was actually more concerned with the other part of the article concerning extended. Considering the huge widening of the gap with this Extended announcement, I am really starting to wonder about the validity of that whole "Overextended" thing that was rumored a bit ago and stirred up the bees nest. This sure is starting to see like a small nudge in that direction. 2 years instead of the huge block it used to be? Now it's just Standard and what you played in standard last year. That's not much of anything and leaves too much of a gap between Legacy and it to be comfortable.

    We shall see on that though.



    As for Monolith, I fully expect MUD to have it's day again. It's sure suited for it and it's great timing considering the hate that's out right now doesn't do much of anything to MUD.

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    Don't worry about MUD. It may one day be more relevant, but it won't be due to Grim Monolith. Grim Monolith isn't even a good card by Legacy standards.

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    This card is trash since it got nerfed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jak. View Post
    I like the ban...
    But obviously my worry is still there that they are changing things to rapidly, banning cards from decks that aren't much of a problem, etc.
    Death of Extended makes me a bit scared. (Btw, that format never rotated in the same way and I know a guy who quit non-highlander Constructed yesterday.) So, what will come the next time? They screwed Extended in a blink of an eye. Three months later they can destroy Legacy (which in fact would make a sense, as long as they plan that Overextended). So what?

    "Effectivelly since September the 1st, following sets are banned from the Legacy format: Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, The Dark, Fallen Empires, Homelands and all basic sets prior to 4th Edition. Cards from the three "learning" sets - Portal, Portal II and Portal: The Three Kingdoms - are no longer legal, unless they were printed in some of the legal sets. Kthxbye."

    It's not about Mystical Tutor. It's about Extended.

    And yeah, I just noticed that I can play my MTs once more. Awesome, because yesterday I went horiibly - bye, loss, loss, opponent missing. So this really wasn't a tournament I loved.
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    Big deal. If Magic if fun then continue to play if not then quit. We get like three new sets a year so who gives a flying shit if they take a couple of cards away every now and then. ANT is still good. Reanimator is still good. I mean Mystical Tutor is awesome and we all know that awesome cards are banned from time to time. Etutor is next.

    It may be unbanned anyway.

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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    Mystical Tutor was a broken card, I don't think there's any doubt about it. Vampiric Tutor was banned long ago, and in some situations Mystical is better than Vampiric due to its color and no life loss.

    Enlightened Tutor is probably on their watch list. A 1cc instant speed card that pulls up exactly what you need seems a bit strong for Legacy.

    I think a balanced solution to this cycle of cards would be to make them sorceries instead of instants.

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    I've been working on making MUD/ Wildfire with Grim Monolith, and to be honest, the isn't as good as I thought it was. I thought it was 3 to untap for some reason...4 is decently brutal. It only becomes somewhat abusive with Voltaic Key, but then again, I could run Thran Dynamo. Although it's two more, you don't have to have Key to actually untap it. I see it as being an addition to these kinds of decks, but not a replacement.

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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies View Post
    Well, then, here: let me give you a sneak preview:

    "We looked at the Top 8 from GP Madrid and felt Reanimator and Combo were too powerful and non-interactive. Both of these decks use Mystical Tutor as a powerful setup card. Players like creature decks because they're interactive, so we banned a very powerful enabler to make creature decks better. After all, no one likes losing to combo!"

    Also, they turned Extended into Big Standard in an attempt to make it not suck, but now it will probably be dominated by Jund, 5CC, and Faeries instead of Zoo and Thopter-Depths.
    For a strange casuality, they did not look at the Gp Chicago where 50% of the field was Counter-fucking-Top, and which was the deck that, casually, put the top two placements.

    Losing to combo is not fun, sure. Losing to "activate SDT, trigger CB..counter your spell" 4000 times is really exciting, instead. Losing to a protected 10/10 pro:all is also clever, and stimulates interaction.
    And don't tell me that all you need is to remove Counterbalance, because everyone knows there's only one card that can do it almost surely, and that's green, and not everyone plays or wants to play green.

    The truth is that the ban of Mystical tutor is a scandalous necessity that came from their mistakes. Printing Iona without the "when this goes into your yard, shuffle it back" trigger. Unbanning Entomb 2 weeks after. Printing Emrakul and not understanding that it had "CHEAT ME INTO PLAY WITH SOME SHOW AND TELL OR OTHER TRICKS IN ETERNAL FORMATS!" clause written all over the name of the card.

    And then, complaining if someones gets Emrakul into play on turn 2 via Show and Tell, or Iona turn 3 naming the removal colour, or shutting down Burn players. Because "no one wants to lose from combo". A proof of this was that brainless shit decks playing Eureka and Natural Order and Show and Tell with Force back up, which was probably the biggest reason to ban something (they tell they looked at the GP:Madrid, but to me the SCGs were more relevant).
    The point is, the problem are not the enable, as long as the reature cheated into play has vulnerabilities. The problem is their decision to print absurdily giant timmy card monsters to make t2 kids scream "wooooow! now i can play my big hard Eldrazi on turn 8 !", and then crying and ruining a healthy format if someones tries to abuse them.

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    Winning on turn 2 shouldn't happen as often as Mystical Tutor makes it happen. It's not surprising to see one of the best tutors in the game power up a good deck or two and then get banned.
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    Mystical Tutor was broken and the ban is easily justified. The Extended change will only bring more Legacy players. I'm quite pleased, good job Wizards.

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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandr View Post

    "Effectivelly since September the 1st, following sets are banned from the Legacy format: Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, The Dark, Fallen Empires, Homelands and all basic sets prior to 4th Edition. Cards from the three "learning" sets - Portal, Portal II and Portal: The Three Kingdoms - are no longer legal, unless they were printed in some of the legal sets. Kthxbye."

    It's not about Mystical Tutor. It's about Extended.
    Ugh. I never even thought about the possibility of them turning the format that I love so dearly into overextended. To have have my entire collection be turned into uncomfortable toliet paper in the blink of an eye, I am not sure I will be able to slumber so soundly at night now. I don't even think it would be possible for me to NOT simply quit this game. cut my losses, and never look back.

    Luckly, I didn't give a rats ass about extended in the first place since i just play standard and legacy, since noone played extended around here anyways. But I can understand how those extended players must be feeling now. It would be like if wizards just turned our legacy into extended, as opposed to their extended into standard.

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    Re: [B&R] Mystical Tutor banned / Illusionary Mask and Grim Monolith unbanned

    I have been wondering about Enlightened tutor as well. But I don't think it is anywhere near as bad as Mystical. If E. Tutor was to be banned I would think it would have been long ago when Affinity just hit the scene. Yes it pulls up the enchant/artifact you need, but it also helps keep COmbo in check, something that we know Wizards LOVES to do.

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