[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

[KindGrind]

Duals crashed pretty hard after peaking earlier this year. Not sure I'd want to put money into them.

But they didn't really crash, did they. Indeed spiked for a bit (when Goyf did, too) and went back to their usual price.

[sigfig8]

But what if Wizards does ultimately create an Over-Extended format? I know that was originally just a rumor, and it doesn't look like it will come to fruition this year or the next. But 3, 4, or even 5 years down the line, there will be a HUGE gap of cards that just aren't played. Seems like an opportunity for Wizards to create something new. And to be honest, it may not be a terrible idea if they do it correctly.

I don't want to start up speculative conversations on formats though. Does this beg the question, however, of how much can we truly rely on Legacy staples to remain good investments? I'm striving to complete a set of 40 duals myself, as well as 40 Ravnica duals. But I'm wondering if the Ravnica duals have more upside potential than the originals...

[dontbiteitholmes]

But what if Wizards does ultimately create an Over-Extended format? I know that was originally just a rumor, and it doesn't look like it will come to fruition this year or the next. But 3, 4, or even 5 years down the line, there will be a HUGE gap of cards that just aren't played. Seems like an opportunity for Wizards to create something new. And to be honest, it may not be a terrible idea if they do it correctly.

I don't want to start up speculative conversations on formats though. Does this beg the question, however, of how much can we truly rely on Legacy staples to remain good investments? I'm striving to complete a set of 40 duals myself, as well as 40 Ravnica duals. But I'm wondering if the Ravnica duals have more upside potential than the originals...

I don't think OverExtended is very appealing at all to Wizards. I don't think it's ever going to happen really. I think they thought about it when the rumors were flying and realized it would a terrible idea all around. Legacy already fills the role it does and between Legacy and Extended I think they decided several smaller more casual eternal formats was a better option overall hence why we are now seeing support for EDH.

Also duals didn't crash, they just got super inflated for a couple months while all the SCG crowd bought into Legacy then they went back to normal. I have noticed recently they have started to go up again. A month ago you could easily get a playset of Badlands for $90ish now they go for minimum $30 a piece on Ebay. I'm guessing this is just a combination of Survival speculation (people needing cards for their next non-Sur decks) and the recent announcement of next years SCG tournaments. I think they will go down a little in the next month and then not go up again until next summer when all the younger crowd gets summer jobs. I think we are already seeing the peak of this round of speculation though, if Survival gets banned it might go on for another month or so but I doubt it will get any worse.

[Tha Gunslinga]

Well, I consider going way up, then going way back down to be crashing.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Well, I consider going way up, then going way back down to be crashing.

Meh. If they were below the level they were a year ago I might agree. I would call what happened a spike, the value of duals temporarily went up for 3-4 months then returned to pre-spike prices. I would consider a crash more severe. If something temporarily spikes in prices then all of a sudden lost a significant amount of value to go below what it was previously worth I would say it crashed. Likewise if something slowly built up over time then lost a lot of value I would call it a crash. If next month gas is $3.50 a gallon then the next month it is $2.85 again I wouldn't say gas prices crashed, I'd just say they temporarily spiked.

[dahcmai]

Gas doesn't go down in price, so silly.


Anyway, we were talking about the Ravnica duals. They did spike, but it was the typical Extended spike from when they were still in the format. Then they left and dropped like normal. I just was saying they still sell like hotcakes to the casual crowds. Casual tabletop players buy a lot of things that tournament players spurn and can drive prices all by themselves.

[BenBleiweiss]

A foil 7th Edition set? Hmm, that's a tough one. Not sure what I would put on that. I think I would test the waters on it. Put it up at some insane price no one would pay, then lower it until it sold. That's a fairly valuable commodity so it would be worth sitting on for a time. Very tough set to put together. That one is like selling a set of three Kingdoms or Alternate 4th. There's no real precedent for it since they are so few and far between. Things like that are really hard to sell. Either no one has the money for it or has so much they already built it themselves. Ask Ben, he might have sold one. It's 1436.88 on Troll and toad and 600 something on another site. Gives you an idea of how ranged the price can be on something like that.

Assuming everything is NM, I'd probably price it between $800 and $1000. Just depends how quickly you'd want it to sell.

- Ben

[jamesh]

who wants a foil 7th ed. set - really?
what cards are worthwhile? - goblin matron, sure but you want a playset
there's a reason why sets never sell and that's that unless they are very specific (i bought a portal three kingdoms set a few years ago because i had nothing from it and figured it was a good start/and i saw a korean saga set go for a pretty good price earlier in the year) people really just want playsets of the hottest few cards and the rest is junk - for a collector the thrill is generally picking up the cards piece by piece, not getting them in a single hit

split up the set, you'll end up selling the good stuff and the rest ain't worth a damn - keep them for fun

[keys]

Birds and Cities are hot too.

[johanessen]

And LoA.

[samurai_socks]

Time Spiral....and go.

-Cheers-

PS -

http://cgi.ebay.com/MTG-Magic-Gather...item53e4f9be21

and then

http://cgi.ebay.com/KOREAN-MTG-Time-...item43a40071ec

[sigfig8]

Time Spiral....and go.

-Cheers-

PS -

http://cgi.ebay.com/MTG-Magic-Gather...item53e4f9be21

and then

http://cgi.ebay.com/KOREAN-MTG-Time-...item43a40071ec

It's very obvious that Time Spiral will now be priced ridiculously (darn price gouging). What I'm trying to do now is speculate what other cards benefit from the change. Meditate? Brain Freeze? Mindbreak Trap (to counter all these storm win conditions)?

On a somewhat related tangent: I'm always incredibly baffled by the spike in cards once they are unbanned. Would there be value in picking up multiples of all cards (of course besides the way expensive ones) on the banned list in anticipation of their unbanning? In short, should I start collecting beta Mind Twists and Legends Land Taxes?

[(nameless one)]

Don't forget Earthcraft.

Personally though, Land Tax wouldn't spike that much in value once it gets unbanned, however Scroll Rack might.

[KindGrind]

It's very obvious that Time Spiral will now be priced ridiculously (darn price gouging). What I'm trying to do now is speculate what other cards benefit from the change. Meditate? Brain Freeze? Mindbreak Trap (to counter all these storm win conditions)?

I'm interested in this, too. Brain freeze is an uncommon, so if it's up it won't be by much. Mindbreak Trap on the other hand... At the price they are now (around 2$ if you shop around), I'd say it's worth picking up just in case Time Spiral ends up being nuts.

[(nameless one)]

Wouldn't Force of Will still be better than Mindbreak Trap anyways? Possibly countering Time Spiral itself? Then again, I dont exactly know how Spring Tide resolves.

[sigfig8]

Wouldn't Force of Will still be better than Mindbreak Trap anyways? Possibly countering Time Spiral itself? Then again, I dont exactly know how Spring Tide resolves.

You do make a valid point. Force of Will is a great tool to counter Time Spiral. Three things come to mind, however:

1) Force of Will is already expensive and played a ton; will this really budge its price?
2) Mindbreak Trap can be played in any deck's sideboard without any blue card count requirement.
3) Can Spring Tide still go off without Time Spiral? Seems like Mindbreak Trap is more of a sure thing.

[Gocho]

3) Can Spring Tide still go off without Time Spiral? Seems like Mindbreak Trap is more of a sure thing.

Spring Tide can go off T3 every game with Time Spiral banned. The only reason because ST is not played any more is CounterBalance. A T2 CB and Spring Tide crushes most of the games.

[dontbiteitholmes]

If you haven't already taken advantage of Survival's situation it's pretty much too late. Everything not Survival has been going up since about 2 1/2 weeks ago and everything Time Spiral related is already maxed out in price. Even if Time Spiral goes in a good deck, unless that deck is extremely broken forget about $35 bucks a piece. That $200 Korean one, LOL, good fucking luck you stupid dealer. People are really getting stupid about Time Spiral, but no one is THAT stupid. Even when Survival was the card to own a Korean one wasn't even $200. It's going to come down in price fairly quickly I think as $35 for a Time Spiral is hysteria and the people paying that price are few and far between and will all soon have a playset. Already he's relisted it at $99, I think you will be able to ski down a graph of Time Spiral's price over the next month though, I'd kinda be suprised if he gets that. I think people are gonna wake up on this one real quick.

[conboy31]

Now that Tspirals are at this price I am curious as to who will keep buying them to sustain the price. I forsee people being unable to unload them, the deck being average, and the price going down at the rate mentioned by dontbiteitholmes.

[dontbiteitholmes]

Now that Tspirals are at this price I am curious as to who will keep buying them to sustain the price. I forsee people being unable to unload them, the deck being average, and the price going down at the rate mentioned by dontbiteitholmes.

A: Very few people. I mean face it, who does anyone here know that would pay $35 a Time Spiral. Those people are few and far between. There are a descent amount of fools who will pay $20, and then 90% of Legacy players who know their true value is probably less than Intuition, Exploration, ect. and are not willing to play inflated prices for a card that probably won't end up seeing any play.