Great points. I'm clear now. Thanks.Originally Posted by rukcus
I tested something like this last nite, with the following changes:
-4 Heritage Druid
-4 Nettle Sentinel
-1 Regal Force
-1 Birchlore Ranger
-4 Elvish Visionary
-1 Mirror Entity
-1 Crop Rotation
-4 Thoughtseize
+4 Vengevine
+4 Wild Mongrel
+4 Basking Rootwalla
+1 Masked Admirers
+1 Viridian Shaman (die Jitte, die!!!!)
+4 Cabal Therapy
+4 Wasteland
plus a few helper cards. In 6 matches, my opponents conceded after the first game. Gentlemen, VV is dead. Long live VV! >:D
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uhhh, not to be rude, but you do realize this is the Elves Combo thread and not Madness, right...? In my opinion, you kinda lose the point when you drop 4x Heritage and 4x Nettle, as well as 4x Visionary. A deck like this is unique on its own and might be worthy of a post in the New and Developmental thread if you think it preforms well enough.
Back to Elves Combo: As far as a Wish Board goes, might it be a good choice to run 1x Wasteland incase you're staring down a Tabernacle, or simply to have as utility removal?
I tested that, and it works well, but it is a question of how you want to use that spot. Do you want to take away a spot that answers another threat to answer tabernacle? Meta-dependent choice.
@FOW: fair enough, and granted I only briefly tested it with VV back in the limelight. I will continue to test it with the Nettle/Heritage combo in place of the madness element, and do a test run with 2 Intuition and Wonder. I feel like this would still maintain the speed o Combo Elves and gain the explosiveness of VV. Reason being is that we have a rough time with CB/top and Firespout; which VV solves quite handily.
Compare this with the list that GerryT ran, and see the dependence on attack step to win. The added disruption of discard is a key innovation that may prove to be very useful. Without maindeck Emrakul it lacks the ability to answer quick decks, which VV also helps. Buried Alive is analogous to Intuition, but you lose Wonder.
SB option of NO/Pro is still viable for the SB.
One thing I found to be rather useful is casting Glimpse with Wild Mongrel out and not running out of discard fodder. This is ultinately a different deck, but still powerful.
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Hey guys, I'm new to the forum, but not new in legacy and vintage. After several years of annoying people with Ichorid, I'm now searching and switching decks. Always combo or rogue and elves is a bit of both, so it has a natural likeness to me!
The list I'm using is very simular to k2thej's and overall I'm very happy with its performance. But... In my meta there is always a strong control part and especially the landstill MU is almost unwinnable in my testings. I need to be very lucky and my opponent very unlucky to win this MU. With a controlsuit consisting of PtE, StP, Moat, Humility, EE and counters, comboing is almost every time a No-Fly Zone. He likes it to let me build up and then an EE sees the day and ruins mine OR Moat rears its ugly head and by the time I find and can cast a Wish, humility has accompagnied Moat and it is GG. Anyone of you guys face the same problem? And if so, what is your plan against it?
I've been thinking about this a lot as well. The wish build is great and I really like it, but the lost sideboard spots are definitely a downside. Without wish, you have room for 4 leyline, 4 thorn, 4 fecundity, and 3 grip. boarding in both Fecundity and leyline is crazy helpful in the landstill matchup. I think ultimately the wish build is more consistent, but it does lose these elements which are very helpful in matchups like landstill/dreadstill.
That being said, all my testing is in preparation for grand prix providence in May, so I will end up going with whatever I predict will be best for that meta.
Does anyone have any ideas of a creature we can run in the wishboard that can answer humility? I know there aren't many but if we can think of a relatively cheap one it might be worth it.
The only one I know is Ulamog, the infinite Gyre. All the other creatures I found do it through CIP triggers and those do not longer work under Humility.
So I suppose the option is either race humility (which is what I do) or board grips.
I try to race and board in the grips also. But more often than not, to no vain...
Ya I think if you board in the grips you are hurting your race plan too. I think we can be thankful it is not a very common card haha.
Indeed it is. Maybe it's best to just give up on this MU and concentrate on beating CB. Considering this, I like a variety in the CMC and therefore I'm testing a 2-of Bramblewood paragon. He is sweet if casted early in the game. It also makes aggro a bit easier.
I don't think we run nearly enough warriors to make him useful. Also, Leyline destroys CB. Once you board in Leylines it's not much of a game. This matchup is already in the bag as far as I'm concerned.
Only one I can think of is Ulamog? You require a "as you cast" clause to actually be able to deal with Humility with a creature...
Yup, like I said a few posts before :)
How do you guys usually board against control? Leylines come in to prevent countering, but what to take out? I usually take out a symbiote, an archdruid and a pact.
Board in leylines for glimpses and more dudes for pacts. You now have an uncounterable aggro deck that they cannot deal with.
Hmmm, most CBbuilds in my region run firespout and are very well able to sweep my board before I can summon -excuse me, cast- 3 lords. Anyone else having this problem?
I'm having tons of trouble in a lot of match ups... Against still-type decks I usually get blown out by Deeds and such and then they'll land a Jace...
Against merfolks I'm pretty dead post board. Try fightning 4 E.P, 3 Perish and Submerge/Jitte...
I'm just laughing at how bad we get post board with a Wish-list.
Ya sweepers are tough but you can play around them. You should hold as many guys in hand until you combo off, and then if you order the casting right you should be able to float enough mana to keep going through a firespout. If they spout to early and stop you from doing this then you can likely come back since you have enough dudes in hand. they key against sweepers is to hold guys in hand until you go off.
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