[SCD] Mental Misstep

[Mr. Safety]

I have run up against Mental Misstep in playtesting, and TBH, it isn't the 'bane of the format!' or any such nonsense. Is it powerful? YES. Is it overpowered? NO.

Zoo can still fight through MM's like they fought through Force of Will...if you haven't noticed, zoo has been gradually 'curving out' better over the past year anyways with Green Sun's Zenith and playing up to a full set of Knight of the Reliquary and sometimes Terravore.

Mental Misstep punishes sligh decks, sure. But there was ALREADY a plethora of cards that punished sligh decks (Daze, Force, Spell Pierce, Spell Snare, Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere) It's just another powerful weapon in a powerful format...get used to it.

The u/g infect deck played Mental Misstep correctly...it was there to protect 'bad' cards like Blight Mamba and Ichorclaw Myr. It was also a combo deck...not really an aggro deck. He was trying to combo into 10 poison counters, not attack from 20-0. Berserk Stompy is already tier 2 (at best) and that has 'good' cards like Silhana Ledgewalker and Slippery Bogle. I don't see this as an argument for MM in aggro decks. I see it as a way to shore up tier 2 decks like Berserk/Infect stompy and give them at least a minor leg-up in power level.

[Hot Soup]

While these results are hardly conclusive as another pointed out early, I think part of the problem is others were no running Mental Misstep. The card is good, even if your not running Blue. Unless your plans to zerg rush your opponents face (Zoo, Burn), you should run these, as Legacy games are those of Tempo and Attrition. Every deck spots plenty of cards with which to use Misstep, and it provides a huge tempo swing, and protects you against these blue decks.

[Gui]

While these results are hardly conclusive as another pointed out early, I think part of the problem is others were no running Mental Misstep. The card is good, even if your not running Blue. Unless your plans to zerg rush your opponents face (Zoo, Burn), you should run these, as Legacy games are those of Tempo and Attrition. Every deck spots plenty of cards with which to use Misstep, and it provides a huge tempo swing, and protects you against these blue decks.

Zerg rushs can use missteps to rush more effectively, imo. I'd use it @Zoo.

So, what is general opinion? Mental Misstep made the top16 like that, or is SCG too biassed and is doing the same they did with SotF, with everyone playing the same deck, so that it puts more results?

Btw, anyone got the deck breakdown from that whole SCG?

[Aggro_zombies]

So, what is general opinion? Mental Misstep made the top16 like that, or is SCG too biassed and is doing the same they did with SotF, with everyone playing the same deck, so that it puts more results?

Btw, anyone got the deck breakdown from that whole SCG?

I think, with everyone orgasming about how Mental Misstep is the bestest card for Legacy ever z0mg 56 card decks, that a large number of people switched to Mental Misstep decks (i.e., various blue decks) for the tournament. As long as ordinary people and various pros continue to ejaculate rainbows over how formatpocalyptic Misstep is, people will overwhelmingly want to play blue-based decks like Merfolk and Landstill (lol) that can use the card effectively (lol @ IBA).

I mean, I looked at that top 8 and wondered where Zoo/the red decks/aggro was. That is the kind of clearly unbalanced top 16 that gets formed when everyone expects something to be good and foils for it disappear as people switch decks. I expect that format diversity will return over the next couple of months as enthusiasm for Misstep cools and people realize that the card, while good, is not all that and a bag of chips.

[dahcmai]

It's fairly obvious that things will just shift a little similar to how Counterbalance made people stop playing tons of 1's and 2 drops. Knight gets better and better. I know I'm happy. All this is making one of my pet decks actually pretty competitive all of a sudden on accident.

At least we can make fun of all the people who paid $40 or more for a foil one.

[Mr. Safety]

It's fairly obvious that things will just shift a little similar to how Counterbalance made people stop playing tons of 1's and 2 drops. Knight gets better and better. I know I'm happy. All this is making one of my pet decks actually pretty competitive all of a sudden on accident.

At least we can make fun of all the people who paid $40 or more for a foil one.

You made my day! I agree wholeheartedly, Knight of the Reliquary (I think that's what you meant by knights...) are getting better and better.

Cheap, dumb beats don't cut it anymore unless incorporated into a properly curved deck. Wild Nacatl is still worth playing because it gives zoo 10-12 quality 1-drops (Lynx, Nacatl, Grims) but Loam Lion/Kird Ape just aren't good enough anymore. Mental Misstep just reinforces that.

I think Mental Misstep will be very similar to Goyf and Wasteland in legacy...it will become a landmark of the format. It won't warp it...it's just another new card that will prove to be powerful enough to compete in an eternal format. Very few cards make that cut...it's nice to see a new one.

[bruizar]

I don't think one large tournament is really a good way to draw broad conclusions about the state of the entire format. Were there so many copies of Misstep in the top 16 because it skews the power of certain decks that much, or was it because there's a ton of hype around the card so everyone wanted to try it out, and Merfolk regained some popularity after winning the last open? I don't think there's really a way to tell conclusively at this point.

Its not just scg, also bom. Card was sold for 10 euro ea ch due to demand

[Gui]

Its not just scg, also bom. Card was sold for 10 euro ea ch due to demand

But BoM had more variety of decks in top 16, more healthy, and quite different from SCG

[lorddotm]

I think this card will go down as a huge mistake. It encourages people to play the type of game that most people enjoy the least. Plus, it cuts off a number of once viable decks (storm and Goblins at the minimum). Pretty much the only decks that gained anything are Blue (aggro-)control decks, everything else suffered. In a format like Legacy, that is not a good thing.

[Tammit67]

I think this card will go down as a huge mistake. It encourages people to play the type of game that most people enjoy the least. Plus, it cuts off a number of once viable decks (storm and Goblins at the minimum). Pretty much the only decks that gained anything are Blue (aggro-)control decks, everything else suffered. In a format like Legacy, that is not a good thing.

What kind of storm are you talking about in particular? Tendrils is still fine, perhaps high tide is in much pain, but I wouldn't say the entire archetype is dead.

[Star|Scream]

What kind of storm are you talking about in particular? Tendrils is still fine, perhaps high tide is in much pain, but I wouldn't say the entire archetype is dead.

He's talking about any storm that doesn't run 4x FOW 4x DAZE 4x MISSTEP

[Admiral_Arzar]

What kind of storm are you talking about in particular? Tendrils is still fine, perhaps high tide is in much pain, but I wouldn't say the entire archetype is dead.

Pretty much all Tendrils archetypes have 439579835 important one-cost cards. Every blue deck functionally having eight force of wills against you is not good.

[(nameless one)]

With this mentality, shouldn't all decks that run non-basic lands be dead by now because because of Wasteland, on top of all the non-basic land hate out there?

Not all decks can run every non-basic land hate out there and though theoretically can, not all decks run Wastelands because it will dilute those decks themselves..

I think the same can be said with Mental Misstep. Yes, theoretically, every deck can run it but would every deck run it?

Besides, the best way to fight Wastelands is to run more Dual Lands. I believe that this should work the same against Mental Misstep.

Besides, Chalice of the Void at one didn't dominate the format. What makes you guys think Mental Misstep would?

[Admiral_Arzar]

Besides, Chalice of the Void at one didn't dominate the format. What makes you guys think Mental Misstep would?

COTV at one doesn't synergize well with the ridiculous blue cards in Legacy, and is generally relegated to fringe decks as a result. MM, on the other hand, fits right into all the pre-existing blue shells, making them stronger without improving other archetypes.

[Koby]

COTV at one doesn't synergize well with the ridiculous blue cards in Legacy, and is generally relegated to fringe decks as a result. MM, on the other hand, fits right into all the pre-existing blue shells, making them stronger without improving other archetypes.

This just in: Mental Misstep good in blue decks, mediocre in others.

News at 11.

[Admiral_Arzar]

This just in: Mental Misstep good in blue decks, mediocre in others.

News at 11.

-snip- I was trying to explain why MM =/= COTV (MM, good in already good blue decks. Chalice, good in fringe meta decks that generally aren't blue), but of course -snip-.

[lorddotm]

What kind of storm are you talking about in particular? Tendrils is still fine, perhaps high tide is in much pain, but I wouldn't say the entire archetype is dead.

Goblins isn't dead per-say, but its blue match up got a shit ton worse. Same with Storm decks. It tilted the match ups about 5-10% in blue's favor which makes it a lot harder, especially since our Merfolk match up was like 60/40, and now it is like 45/55. Thats some swing.

-snip- I was trying to explain why MM =/= COTV (MM, good in already good blue decks. Chalice, good in fringe meta decks that generally aren't blue), but of course -snip-

-snip- he can't help it, so cut him some slack. ;)

[Mr. Safety]

I knew what you were sayin' Admiral Arzar. It can concievably create an imbalance in the current metagame by making anything playing blue STRONGER, while everything else in the format has to adapt to the 'new kid on the block', some decks actually losing enough steam to go 'poof'.

@rukcus: In a nutshell, you mean 'Mental Misstep makes blue decks stronger, and even though it COULD be played in other decks, it shouldn't be.' Am I right in making that statement?

[Admiral_Arzar]

Goblins isn't dead per-say, but its blue match up got a shit ton worse. Same with Storm decks. It tilted the match ups about 5-10% in blue's favor which makes it a lot harder, especially since our Merfolk match up was like 60/40, and now it is like 45/55. Thats some swing.

-snip-, he can't help it, so cut him some slack. ;)

LOL okay.

As for storm, I was going to play TES at GP Providence unless something drastic happened to the meta. Unfortunately, there's no way I'm good enough to play around MM all day long with that deck, so time to find something else to play.

[Tammit67]

Pretty much all Tendrils archetypes have 439579835 important one-cost cards. Every blue deck functionally having eight force of wills against you is not good.

Well no shit, but that's why we run redundant pieces and protection. Sometimes they have the nuts of 3 counterspells and a clock, but they can't have everything all the time. Merfolk is the worst of it, but you can bring in the swarms to make it even again postboard.

The card is very good though, and I lost to two merfolk decks this weekend with TES. Not one of those losses was a direct result of misstep (mainly cursecatcher/daze and wastelands).