A couple of days ago there were 4x Near Mint The Abyss at SCG for 79.99 each.
As I explained, I bought one because I needed one for EDH. I bought now because it can realistically only go up, not down (or stay static, I suppose, but I strongly doubt that) for various reasons, and I figured I would get one at an average price before I actually put a deck together with it and needed one and then find that they'd risen in the interim. If I were speculating, I'd have purchased more than 1, you know?Originally Posted by Mr.Dieth
I actually bought 2x English Abyss for $69.99 from SCG. On Ebay they were ending around $60-80, so I decided to pull the trigger 2 months ago to pick them up. I know the card most definitely has potential (it's slow but devastating when online against aggro decks). It is also incredibly rare, and on the reserved list IIRC. I would also advice picking up Chains of Mephistopheles and Nether Void because you know that someone is going to Top8 at a SCG event with Chains+NetherVoid+Abyss with a deck called the Legendary Black Deck, and SCG is going to ramp those cards to $200 and buy them for $150 because they are ultra-rare and on the reserved list and only 250-1000 copies are in circulation.
Lol :P
Decks that I care about:
Steel Stompy
UWx Landstill
Dreadstalker
DDFT (10% practice)
Mangara on MWS? You must be masochistic. -kiblast
Solemn will drop a bit unless it's in a solid Standard Deck, which it likely will be, and then it'll go back up a bit. Old school foils of Jens will likely go up further becuase they're OOP and the "og" version, so EDH Players are going to desire those more than the foils of the new one.
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The Abyss and Nether Void do not play well together since one will destroy the other.
LOL, someone give this guy a tissue. I'm not pushing anything, just discussing what may or may not go up. If you "invest" in Magic cards and you don't own a store you are officially doing it wrong. I have 2 Italian Abyss's, I got one because it's a card I've wanted since the first time I saw it and I never owned one before, then I got a second because it was $35 and I can trade it for more than that if I want.
Seriously speculative buying of Magic cards for profit is stupid since unless they go up in value quickly in a very short amount of time you aren't making shit and you still have to sell the cards. If you sell them on Ebay that's a ~13% cut off the top + shipping and handling+packaging and you get screwed if you don't insure the cards with delivery confirmation and they get lost. So unless they go up at least 30% in value Ebay is out and without Ebay you still have to find someone to pay the price you need for a profit for them. I mean it's easy to say you buy Confidants @20 then you sell them for $30 and make a $10 profit. Really though who is going to give you $30 on the street for a Confidant? If I wanted them that bad I would have already bought them off Ebay. So you just sat on the cards for 2-3 months and made maybe $5-6 a piece on Ebay or marking them down to a price people will actually pay, wow you are balling out of control, next stop Wall-Street.
Seriously, will you crybabies just get out of this thread. I don't care that you think people here are driving up the prices of cards, the prices of cards have been going up long before this thread was around and if you want to point fingers, point them at SCG. People who speculate cards are idiots. I know someone was talking about their friend who bought 70 Confidants @ $15 and yeah that's cool, but how many times has dude been burned before? How many playsets of cards that haven't gone up in years are sitting at his house? How long did it take him to purchase 70 Confidants at a fair value and how long will it take him to sell them at a fair price? Will he realistically get more than $8-10 profit a card? I mean Confidant, Candelabra, Time Spiral, dual lands have all gone up considerably this year, but outside of T2 cards how many other cards would have been profitable to speculate? How many cards had a 30%+ rise in value in under 3 months?
Wouldn't it just be smarter for someone trying to profit off cards to announce locally that he buys cards and pay under Ebay value then just be assured of making a profit instead of hoping he picked the 1/2000 card that jumps 100% in value in a month? I mean if it takes you and hour to pick through someones binder and put everything on Ebay and another hour to ship, is that not the safer bet than spending $1000 buying 70 of the same card and hoping it doubles in value before it gets reprinted? I mean if a card goes from $15 to $25 unless you have a store you are either spending a long time trying to sell @25 or you will realistically get $5-7 profit off it. If that takes an hour to accomplish, congratulations you are now making under minimum wage.
So in conclusion, going around the neighborhood offering to cut grass is probably more profitable then speculating MTG cards and complaining about this thread = GTFO, probably 95% of the people reading this thread for speculation are more looking to get cards for their collection before they jump.
big links in sigs are obnoxious -PR
Don't disrespect my dojo dude...
Sweep the leg!
"Getting the cards before they jump" is what causes the speculation, and causes them to go up.
Jeez.
-Matt
Not entirely. I mean just because some people on a forum say something is probably going to go up isn't going to make it a "self fulfilling prophecy" as everyone likes to say. The cards that have blown up in value did so because they were undervalued, they saw new uses and were extremely rare, or because SCG reestablished their baseline price. If you want to blame anyone blame SCG. Really though Tabernacle went up because of Lands, Candelabra went up because of High Tide (now it's coming back down because of MM), everything in Welder aggro went up when that guy won the SCG event, Dark Confidant was a $25-30 card the whole time and no one noticed. It saw play in Vintage and was an extremely powerful and popular card in Legacy for a long time and it almost always goes in as a 4x. Compare Dark Confidant to Crucible of Worlds, a $15 card that is never a 4x, is much less played then Confidant, and was reprinted in 10th edition. Then look at all the cards that haven't been mentioned in a while but are currently popular in Legacy that have quietly gone up over the past couple months ex. Natural Order, Show and Tell, ext. It's not like this thread really has any bearing on card prices in the long run. There are plenty of cards mentioned here that aren't going through the roof and there are plenty of cards that are not mentioned here that are steadily climbing.
With or without this thread card prices for Legacy stuffs are going where they are going. Without a deck there's no demand and it's all vapor. The cards rise and fall with the decks, look at Candelabra, it's been falling ever since Misstep and it fell out of favor in High Tide. It's dropped about $50 overall since its peak. This thread is just a bunch of Magic players discussing cards that have potential to go up and what cards we think are undervalued. Anyone who is going to speculate on cards does not need this thread, think about it. If people are going to come and complain like there is some conspiracy to drive up prices I'm going to continue to tell them to GTFO.
big links in sigs are obnoxious -PR
Don't disrespect my dojo dude...
Sweep the leg!
On a related note FTV Relics is still near retail on Ebay for some reason, this is what people might call a "smart buy."
FTV Mox Diamond ~$25
FTV Sol Ring ~$15
FTV Nev Disk ~$8
FTV Vial ~$15
FTV Scepter ~$6
FTV Sword of B/M ~$15
Total of just those cards ~$84
You do the math.From the Vault: Relics, Unopened
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I bought 2 when they came out and I'm gonna hold on to them unopened for a while. Then maybe in a couple years I'll trade them for some cards I really want when the value of unopened FTV:R is higher or maybe just hold on to them long term as collectibles.
big links in sigs are obnoxious -PR
Don't disrespect my dojo dude...
Sweep the leg!
Yes, this is true. If one, two or a group of people went out and bought the thousands of copies because they decided one day that they were going to "speculate." This does not happen on a whim. There has to be a good reason, like someone T8ing with a really rare old card.
Do you really want to whine about the four people in this thread who went out and bought The Abyss?
That's not a bad deal really, but I am waiting to see the effect of having that many Sol rings in existence now. The commander decks will affect things quite a bit. The Mox Diamond is never a bad buy though and neither is Vial. Though Vial is on my unstable list. I don't like picking those up.
It's up to you, not to erase those doubts .. The Abyss is my Stack #5 and #6. EDH is for dorks.
It's good in the deck's it's good in, but you can't throw it into Merfolk, let's put it that way.
-Matt
check the availability of
Basalt monolith
mesmeric orb
blasting station
it's ... well just check.
yeah i guess you r right, on the other hand not fearing creature removal or MM is not that bad...
but yeah it's a bit fast to be sold out as there are no notable results (except the 4/62, no offence to the result though).
forgot that part my mistake !
That deck is so much ass. It's like Breakfast only worse. I've noticed Chapin shilling for it like it's the next big combo deck, but I just don't ever see it doing well.
Pithing Needle will shut down Basalt Monolith. Monolith's oracle text is {3}: Untap Basalt Monolith.
Tusk up.
What is this deck that people are talking about? link please? Thanks!
Decks that I care about:
Steel Stompy
UWx Landstill
Dreadstalker
DDFT (10% practice)
Mangara on MWS? You must be masochistic. -kiblast
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=309361
4 Horsemen created by Finn. It was recently featured in a premium article by Pat Chapin I think, and it top4'd a 62-man tournament (Report is in this site too).
The deck really isn't that great. It doesn't have anything really interactive and just sits on autopilot for a few turns trying to setup mediocre acceleration. It's kind of like Hive Mind in theory (both decks use the Show and Tell into Emrakul plan, which is really just a poor excuse to forgo the base combo and crutch on the back of another), except the win condition is much more fragile.
I think a large reason why the deck did so well in a tournament that size has to do somewhat with novelty; I mean it's not anyone expected to deal with Mesmeric Orb.
UPDATE: Good thing I picked up my two The Abyss when I did.
The Abyss is still far behind behind Moat, Wrath of God/Damnation, Firespout, and Drop of Honey for sweepers... It might have some niche Commander value but other than that I don't see it getting more play than it currently does (i.e. none).
I honestly think that has yet to be seen. People didn't realize how truly good Moat was until years later when it spiked over two-hundred fifty dollars in value. The Abyss is splashable and rounds out a nice curve in the right deck, in addition to not forcing you to shore up any removal over the course of the game.
The Abyss is a pure control element, unlike most of the cards you mentioned which are situational. Dropping an Abyss when there are no creatures on the board is even more crushing than when there actually are, because now you've essentially forced your opponent into dropping multiple threats at once - inherently forcing your opponent to deplete his or her resources in doing so.
The Abyss also works proactively and stays on the board. Most of the cards you mentioned require multiple colors to be effective in a one-time use. The Abyss is superior to each of those cards, with the arguable exception being Moat - which doesn't answer threats while they've accumulated.
I think you're incorrect on The Abyss; it's an extremely powerful card in the right deck.
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