From my testing, Tempo RUG is the deck's best matchup and an absolute slaughter. Anything RUG really. They can't deal with your big guys. Of course I'm not running Scryb Ranger over Tarmogoyf.
My tentative sideboard plan is -2 Elspeth, - 2 Qasali Pridemage, +2 Path to Exile, +1 Eternal Witness, +1 Bojuka Bog against them. You really just want more early removal, bring in an extra land or two if you have them in the board, and lower the curve a bit. The only real ways to lose are to get mana fucked or have a flying Delver kill you before you can find an answer, and that plan solves both of those issues.
For my confessions, they burned me with fire/
And found I was for endurance made
Scryb Ranger is excellent against RUG. It blocks their Delvers all day and lets you both attack and block with Knight.Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Good Luck on beating Natural Order RUG.
Let your Dredge 6 be: Narco, Narco, Narco, Bridge, Bridge, Dread Return
To be fair, having an active Knight if your only chance of beating Natural Order -> Progenitus. Batterskull comes in a close second, but that's very unlikely considering the turn after NO resolves Progenitus acts as a Moat, preventing any profitable attack.
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So.. you've been playing lately it seems..
NO RUG is not a deck anymore without misstep.
what?
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post620809
Don't make me laugh when I'm sick, it hurts too much
In all seriousness, I was thinking about playing Combust when SFM.deck was the nut-high, but then I remembered that I hadn't had a stroke, so I didn't.
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Hey guys, I've been getting into legacy and I have been wondering about the pros and cons of punishing maverick, compared to GW Maverick.
Pros: you get a bit of late-game reach and can deal with irritating creatures like Delver, Stoneforge Mystic and Mother of Runes a little better than other decks.
Cons: Your manabase becomes extremely vulnerable and unstable, you have more dead cards against a lot of decks, and you can't cram as many threats into your deck.
You also get some slightly better sideboard options (Ancient Grudge, REB's).
You do lose consistency though, which is what I really miss about the straight GW list. That mana base is so solid.
In my experience, the pFires builds are also more controlling and less Aggro than the GW builds.
The GWr lists also miss out on Elspeth. That's a big minus if you're looking to lock away easy wins.
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Are you saying that if you're playing against burn and you have a rhox in your sideboard you dont bring it in, in fear of a combust?
Im not playing rhox to beat burn, im playing rhox to beat zoo. That doesnt mean i wont bring it in against burn.
This is the list I'm playing. Welcomes feedbacks. :)
4 windswept heath
4 savannah
4 wasteland
2 horizon canopy
2 misty rainforest
2 forest
1 plains
1 dryad arbor
1 karakas
1 gaea's cradle
1 maze of ith
4 mother of runes
4 noble hierarch
4 stoneforge mystic
4 knoght of the reliquary
2 qasali pridemage
2 scavenging ooze
1 scryb ranger
1 silhana ledgawalker
1 eternal witness
1 terravore
1 gaddock teeg
1 thrun the last troll
4 swords to plowshares
4 green sun's zenith
1 umezawa's jitte
1 batterskull
1 sword of feast and famine
SB:
2 enlightened tutor
2 choke
2 ethersworn canonist
2 surgical extraction
1 chalice of the void
1 dueling grounds
1 stony silence
1 pithing needle
1 phyrexian metamorph
1 life from the loam
1 circle of protection:red
>ledgewalker has been the best sword-holder for me, gets past through maze of ith
>sofaf and maze interaction is great
>meta in my place: delver decks, UW stoneblade, mirror
/facepalm
Contrary to conventional thought, Telling if I am being trolled seems to get harder the more exposed to it that I become.
maybe -1 circle of protection:red
+1 rule of law (delver)
+1 scryb (delver, uw)
Played today in a really small tournament, got into top4, deck crapped out on me unfortunately. In swiss I faced enchantress (2-0), hivemind combo (2-1), dredge (2-0), BW tempo (1-0, time) and WBU control (2-1).
In the top 4 I played again against the WBU control and it didn't work as planned, had to mulligan in both games and draws after the opening hand of 6 were a bit awkward unfortunately.
I left the tournament with a new windswept heath which I came to look for because I had only 3. :-)
Parallax Wave was good when I got to play it, didn't happen too much though. People were really scared of it and when possible, it was always taken away with thoughtseize even if it was the wrong play. 2 Jitte's MD is awesome. Not really anything special about the deck, it worked very well and I liked everything about my MD setup with Quirion Ranger and Scryb Ranger.
My sideboard for the event was:
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Choke
3 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Path to Exile
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
2 Krosan Grip
Garruk did good when he showed up, Elspeth was shy all day long and for the first time ever, Ethersworn Canonist did her job and won me a game against hivemind. This deck still keeps on amazing me with everything it can do and after every tournament I play I like the deck more than I did yesterday.
Only thing that could make the deck more cool would be few blue lands and sideboard with 4 meddling mages.
Just out of curiosity, what you would bring meddling mage in against? It seems like Hive Mind (naming Show & Tell) is the only solid match to bring it in against (out of the matches you listed - enchantress, hive mind, dredge, bw tempo and wbu control). I guess you could name STP against BW or WBU, but they are likely to have PTE and Mom already does a good job of protecting your guys from STP/PTE (not to mention you could run Thrun/Ledgewalker/SoLaS).
I thought Meddling Mage was dis-favored due to the fact that most decks have an alternative kill condition or a way to kill meddling mage.
Back in Sept. when the NO Bant lists were hot, they were running meddling mage, but it seemed like most players found it underwhelming and replaced it with other teck, like spell pierce or flusterstorm.
And here you have given an answer to yourself, Meddling Mage isn't good enough, but I like it as a card to fight combo. Naming Tendrils, Empty the Warrens, Show & Tell or something like that. But it still doesn't make the card good.You're absolutely right, combo decks have multiple ways to win and many ways to get rid of Meddling Mage. They can just bounce Mage and combo out. Or start going off and bounce him, then proceed to win. Ethersworn Canonist is there to lock them out until she leaves the table and because of that, she's the superior hatebear. I think that Meddling Mage is a pet card of mine just like Quirion Ranger.
Now look at that handsome devil. To me, the mage in the art portraits what Planeswalker/ass-kickin'-wizard/Gandalf should look like.
And with art like that, I could see why you would want to run it. He does look badass.
Now look at that handsome devil. To me, the mage in the art portraits what Planeswalker/ass-kickin'-wizard/Gandalf should look like.
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