Griselbrand is straight up just better than Progenitus in the SneakShow decks. Sneaking Griselbrand in, draw 7 or 14 to get yourself an Emrakul plus protection, then swing for the Win is definitely more appealing than Sneaking in Progenitus which was kinda awkward before. I don't play the deck though.
1 Bloodstained Mire
4 Crystal Vein
1 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Ponder
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Grim Tutor
4 Show and Tell
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Force of Will
4 "Yawgmoth's Bargain" Demon
4 Soul Spike
4 Cabal Ritual
Typically I would agree with you in that respect, however that new Time Walk is, in fact, busted. It cannot be Spell Snared (unlike its immortal counterpart) and an extra turn for such a cheap cost is such an incredibly heavy swing in a game that to be able to run four of them...is just plain loco.Originally Posted by Ertai's Familiar
Additionally, the new Bargain-Demon is busted. The difference between waiting until the end of a turn to draw cards and drawing cards immediately is incredibly different. Even at a higher cost, it is still incredibly easier to cheat this creature into play than a Bargain, as it is a creature. Its ability is very powerful for what it can do, and the fact you can even pay *fourteen* life for fourteen cards is just ludicrous - when it's an (virtually) unstoppable ability on a creature.
Thank god.
< x > severely limits design space. < x > also showed near ubiquity at top tables in legacy.
This Miracle mechanic looks like a huge pain in the ass for tournament play.
Player 1: Cast a Miracle!
Player 2: Judge! Prove to me that that was the card you drew this turn.
ugh
Its quite clear since you can only cast it for the miracle cost when you draw it. Once its in your hand I guess its too late to miracle cast it?
That Show & Storm deck looks pretty good. Why even bother with the Time Miracle when you can win turn 1 with the Bargain Demon?
Needs more goyfs.
ok i tested this deck a few game now, and its sick. either you combo out after you drew 14 or you just wreck opp hand with discard and swing next turn with force backup
Just don't add the card to hand?
More like:
Miracle: the mechanic that finally broke Legacy.
I'm very confidant that if they don't ban this card, Brainstorm and/or other cantrips will get banned similar to how Modern has cantrips banned. NOW I see a very reasonable argument for banning Brainstorm and Co.
The tweets Nihil linked earlier suggest to me one of two things: either Wizards is doing exactly what I said before (ie, printing broken cards to drive booster sales with the intention of banning them later), or this card is not nearly as good as we think it is. It's not anywhere close to Flash levels of broken, that's for sure. I wonder how often it will be better than Explore + an extra combat step.
And the more I think about it, the more I hate Griselbrand. God, Wizards, can we finally ease up on the splash creep already?
Hey it was a real deck at Christmas when I 2-3 drop go drink beered with it. Though I also had Thoughtlash (F you burn deck!). Time Walk certainly helps ... and 4 x Personal Tutor can get your Doomsday or your Time Walk if you need to ramp a little.
It's still too easy to cheat/abuse, makes it more difficult to maintain the game state. Unless there winds up being a caveat to the rule that only allows you to play miracles in your draw step or something, I see these being pretty messy.
The card is dog shit without Brainstorm ... like so many other cards. Like 18 land mana bases with 4 wastelands ... shit without Brainstorm.
Ban the enabler. Just like Survival of the Fittest. Ubiquity, limiting design space, creating absurd mana bases are all the things Brainstorm does.
lol, it's good WITHOUT Brainstorm.
Go ahead, ban Brainstorm. Fair trade. I'll abuse it in other ways, be it other cantrips, jace, or tutors.
Ok, so you ban brainstorm. And then UW Stoneblade resolves jace and proceeds to take 3-4 turns in a row because they have a brainstorm on a stick.
It's literally an Explore/Aggravated Assault that requires setup and is absolutely dead outside of the top of your deck. Sims summed it up pretty well; this is just more sky is falling bullshit that will blow over once people realize how meh it is. Yeah it will be prety good in RUG Delver.
Regarding the Demon, congratulations you can power it out off of Entomb/Buried Alive/Animate Dead/etc etc. Yeah you get to draw seven cards off of this giant STP target but what will those cards be? More Animate Deads/Buried Alive/Entombs. What's next, use it with Sneak Attack - to do what, win more? I'm calling hyped bullshit on this one too.
Needs more Quicken and Tendrils, but I approve.
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+1.
Finally, Brainstorm is generally better than Ancestral Recall, what a Miracle
On the Sep 2011 Ban List Updates,
Chain the Soul Spikes with Noxious Revival? Derp?
Personal Tutor, lim dul's vault, scroll rack, mirri's guile, sylvan library, jace, top, preordain, ponder.
Really, since when is time walk<brainstorm?
Only thing that pisses me off about this card is the mythic rare thing.
Wonder if this set will lead into more brokeness I.E. Exodus into urza's saga. A shake up in legacy sounds more and more appealing.
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